Test Enanthate & Anavar (first cycle)

tudor.grimbly
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03 Sep 2011 21:36 #74964 by tudor.grimbly

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Please comment on the pct (whether something like aromasin or hcg is neccessary, should i run arimidex on cycle etc) & whether the lenght of the cycle looks good. also maybe 60mgs for the anavar, double the dosage of the test?, let me know what u think

weeks 1-10 test e 300mg weekly
weeks 9-12 anavar 40mgs daily

pct:
weeks 11-13 Aromasin 10 mg's daily
weeks 13-14 Nolvadex 20 mg's daily
weeks 15-16 Nolvadex 10 mg's daily

or

week 13 clomid 100mg daily
weeks 14-17 20mgs daily

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jackrabbit1
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03 Sep 2011 22:56 #74969 by jackrabbit1

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I would just love to tell you that yor dosage is right but i cant. You have to figure out that for yourself thats why there is always a first cycle at a low dose. Drop the Anavar cause seriously 40mgs wont do jack.

Id say do the Test by itself and get this one under the belt first. I know you are 92Kg's and 1.91m but you dont mention age???

300mg's/week seems a bit low even for a first cycle. I would at least increase to 1.5 ml - 450mg/week

PCT's - at least throw some LP HCG in there? Its really not that expensive. Combine with Kessar/Nolva(Tamoxifen Nitrate) if you cant get to Doctari's PCT.

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tudor.grimbly
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03 Sep 2011 23:45 #74974 by tudor.grimbly

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Thanks so much.

Im 19 (i know its young, ive had the lecture already) but ive been training my ass off for 2 years now (terrible genetics haha) and i think its time

Maybe start off with the 300mgs and see how i respond? & what aboout 60mgs for the var cuz i really wana get cut, lean and hard at the end of the cycle? i also heard it will helo me keep more of my gains from the test?

When should i take the HCG & what is kessar similat too? Lastly where can i find out about Doctari's PCT?

Side bar: Is it cool if i come straight off nolvadex xt from Gaspari (natural test booster) and start the course?

Thanks again

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tudor.grimbly
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03 Sep 2011 23:51 #74975 by tudor.grimbly

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And what is your opinion on starting your pct 30+ days after your last shot of enanthate? all the international sites say start 2 weeks after?

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VonD
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04 Sep 2011 01:18 #74976 by VonD

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Have a read:http://www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information/9-post-cycle-therapy

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CHAPEL
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04 Sep 2011 01:41 #74977 by CHAPEL

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19.. just wait its not long.. i was the same a few years ago... i'm still waiting for my first cycle. Why? COS ITS SMART.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.

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Empire
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04 Sep 2011 05:46 #74978 by Empire

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U say shut genetics is to blame? I think it might be shit nutrition

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 10:15 #74989 by tudor.grimbly

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DJ my diet is honestly very, very good. If you would like, I will post a sample of what I eat on an average day just to prove it too you. The only reason I asked for help with my diet is because I don't record protien. Carb and fat intake and I had recently had high urea levels. Just stick to 6-8 meals and make sure there is protien in all of them. But my diet is better than anyones I know.

I know you can't blame genetics only, but the simple truth is mine aren't the greatest (won't let it stop me though:) . I believe bad nutrition and not enough sport and general exercise in my very youthfull days had also put me at a disadvantage, but what can u do:)

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Empire
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04 Sep 2011 10:41 #74990 by Empire

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Bud recording what u eat gram for gram is essential,that way u know exactly where u are going wrong,its the difference between eating the right amount of calories,undereating or over eating!!

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 11:26 #74992 by tudor.grimbly

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Then i need your help with that

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The DAB
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04 Sep 2011 11:51 #74993 by The DAB

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Ahh here we go :ohmy:

As DJ has said a million times over, which is also something you should know, is that diet is EVERYTHING. Post up what your daily intake looks like so we can guide in the right direction. You definitely going to have to know exactly how much protein/carbs/fats you eat in every meal. Before you sleep you must know how much you've chowed down to the gram.

Weeks 1-10 Test E (Wait 3X the half life before starting PCT - 30 days)
Weeks 8-13 Anavar 60mg/day (This will bridge you from your last injection till PCT. It will keep your bodu anabolic thus you wont lose any gains.)

PCT

7 Days Clomid 50mg split twice daily
Followed by 30 days kessar 20mg/day

Do yourself a favour and read through the whole site. There's alot of knowledge shared by the gents on the site. The half life and compound build up has been well argued, just read up on it.
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...p-and-pct-start-time

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 12:19 #74994 by tudor.grimbly

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Average daily intake:

Breakfast:
4 weet bix with about 100g of museli and 50g of granola & full cream milk
2 whole eggs & 4 whites
2 pieces of wholewheat bread.

pre workout (1 hour before) & post (about 20 min after):

whey, raw peanut butter, 1 bannana and oatmeal with low fat milk (blended)

Lunch:

2 skinless chicken breasts
1 large portion of brown rice (am i going to need a scale to weigh my cooked brown rice?)
1 serving of veggies

Dinner:
eithere the same as lunch or i swop the protien source for ostrich mince/burgers, lean beef mince and might swop the brown rice for 2 slices of wholewhaet bread.

Before bed:
1 can of tuna mixed with half a tub of cottage cheese
4-8 rice cakes or 6-12 prvota's

sorry to be a rash, ive read plenty and i am still left with so many questions. thanks so much for the help, greatly appreciated

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 12:22 #74995 by tudor.grimbly

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so kessar is just like nolva in SA?

. Im also considering maybe doing just var for 4-6 weeks before i jump into this or maybe like a 6-8 week course with the test e and var, what do u rate?

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STUARTF
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04 Sep 2011 15:17 #74999 by STUARTF

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Kessar is Nolvadex made by Pfizer (read Jackrabbit's post above)

I would keep things simple and stick to test base if this is your first cycle.
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...cle-should-look-like
The winstrol in this cycle can be swopped with Var.

At first glance there seems to be a lot wrong with your diet.
-you need to increase the number of meals per day (ideally around 6)
-carbs should be used as an energy source so best times to have them would be breakfast, pre-workout, post workout. Rice cakes and provitas before bed is not good.
-stick to skim milk
-need to invest in a digital scale so you know how much you eating

DJ will probably have a field day with your diet, but lets see what he says.

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"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 16:23 #75000 by tudor.grimbly

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a field day? haha

what can i pick one of those scales up for?. if u consider that my pre a post work outs are basically a meal each, that makes 6. but yeah i agree i could add in atleast another 2.
so your saying no carbs before bed, even if your trying to bulk? . Ive been considering wake up 4 hours into my sleep and having a shake and sleeping another 4, what do u rate?. thanks for the link, will check it out now

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04 Sep 2011 16:32 #75001 by 00pump

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Crap genetics? You 19

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 16:39 #75003 by tudor.grimbly

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Im refering to my natural build & how easily i gain muscle, aswell as being naturally very lean and skinny. i dont think it has too much to do with my age, unless ur saying i cant know whether i have good or bad genetics untill i hit 21? Trust me bro, i dont have the best muscle building genetics and im sure of it!

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04 Sep 2011 17:02 #75005 by STUARTF

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tudor, you may be lean & skinny now but these are now the years of your life that you can really grow a lot naturally, more than any other time in your life. Take advantage of your muscle building potential now. I would put everything into your diet and training at this stage and only delve into anabolics as a last resort.

...I just look at some of the guys that were in Matric with me who were very skinny, and now they are flippen monsters & all natural.

Carbs should be used for energy like I said, if you chow them before bed they are just going to sit in your system and not get burned up causing a bigger potential to put on fat.
You can buy digital scales at Clicks.

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 17:32 #75007 by tudor.grimbly

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Stuart, i appreciate the advice but ive alreadry done alot of reasearch on steroids in under 21's and ive already made my decision.

so if u want to gain weight the idea is take in more calories, but do u keep the protien to carb to fat ratio the same or do u try take in more carbs etc?

ill def get one of those scales and start measuring my daily protien, carb and fat intake. how much do u reccomend of each a day if i want to get too 100 in the first 6 weeks (if thats possible)

& no one answered this 'is it ok to come straight off novedex xt and start a course?'

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04 Sep 2011 17:51 #75008 by STUARTF

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I'd rather DJ answer the diet related questions.

Those natural test boosters like novedex xt are shit IMO and have very little effect on anything hormonal. If you've made up your mind to do a cycle no one is going to stop you so just make sure your diet's in place and that you understand your cycle/compounds perfectly.

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"It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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04 Sep 2011 17:57 #75009 by admin

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tudor.grimbly wrote: Im refering to my natural build & how easily i gain muscle, aswell as being naturally very lean and skinny. i dont think it has too much to do with my age, unless ur saying i cant know whether i have good or bad genetics untill i hit 21? Trust me bro, i dont have the best muscle building genetics and im sure of it!

Sounds like your body type is Ectomorph and just more reason you need a proper diet from DJ.

Just because you gain hard doesn't mean you have bad genetics. You will not be able to tell your genetic weaknesses and if you could you would make millions telling people if they have a higher risk for genetic inherited cancer ect.

Only time you can be sure of bad genetics is when your dad and granddad is the same person.

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tudor.grimbly
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04 Sep 2011 18:01 #75010 by tudor.grimbly

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i see what your saying. But if you train harder and eat better than your mates and they they put in half the effort and get more results, surely that is because the have better muscle building genetics?

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04 Sep 2011 18:11 #75011 by admin

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tudor.grimbly wrote: i see what your saying. But if you train harder and eat better than your mates and they they put in half the effort and get more results, surely that is because the have better muscle building genetics?

They likely have Mesomorph body types.

Even-though body type is a genetic thing, I wouldn't say your genetic profile is "bad". Maybe not ideal for bodybuilding and I believe that's what you were saying in the first place. Thing is that being a hard gainer shouldn't be the sole reason you want to use steroids. You probably made up your mind already and if you do decide to go-ahead, just do it properly with lots of research and you need a good diet with the steroids or they will do nothing anyway. It's not steroids that make muscles bigger it's food that make them bigger.

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04 Sep 2011 18:12 #75012 by ABC01

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I would not run anavar less than 8 weeks but 10weeks is much better since you start to see strength gains only around week 5 or 6. 80mg ed is a very effective dose.

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04 Sep 2011 18:14 #75013 by CHAPEL

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you are an idiot. i though i couldnt break 82-84.. was stuck there for fucking AGES now im 88 natural? so dont talk kak about genetics, look at deadgoat, now if someone had the right to bitch about genetics it was him and he's weighing over 90 natural. This thread is making me angry and its not about your age its your attitude towards this. If you thinks its genetics, then go do your cycle. Enjoy.

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