Official peptide thread

Update on my Ipamorelin experience: I will be finishing my 2nd bottle tomorrow so that would be around 40 days on ipa. There is a def improvement in my old shoulder injury. My knees (the main reason for taking it) still kills me during workout although bit better than it use to be.

-In the last 2 weeks i noticed some strength increase in all muscle groups except chest.
-Still enjoy the sleep benefits
-Can't help but wonder if the possible gyno symptoms i had lately (post pct) has got something to do with the ipa
-I have gone up from 78kg to 79.5kg. I notice allot of water retention specially in mid ab section. Bodyfat still at 10% luckily. I did up my daily cal intake by 400 a month ago
-Currently only pin 100mcg before bed. Have pinned in morning before fasted cardio a couple of times but find that it makes me extremely sleepy/lazy the rest of the day

@ABC01, please continue posting your findings. I personally have never used peptides before therefore I am keen in your findings and results.

Regards

Hey guys, iam using a few of these peptides, i want to know if i can mix them into one shot, like ghrp6,hexarelin,and malanatan2, maybe MA could help with this one. Thanks

big jay wrote: Hey guys, iam using a few of these peptides, i want to know if i can mix them into one shot, like ghrp6,hexarelin,and malanatan2, maybe MA could help with this one. Thanks

I'm very new to the GHRP/GHRH game as well bro. I start next week with ipamorelin and cjc1295 w/o dac 3x a day.

The consensus seems to be that it's ok to draw into the same syringe for your injection but not for storage.

What all are you using?

Ok thanks was just worried about the chains, hexarelin200mcg bed,with 100mcg ghrp6,and another 1 ghrp in morning, going to add cjc too, whats the difference between the hex and ipam? if you mix them with ghrp makes them so strong pulse. With you ipam u pinning morning,30min before train,bed? Thanks

So you're doing hexarelin with GHRP6? I chose ipamorelin because it doesn't have any effect on cortisol or prolactin. Hexarelin is the strongest GHRP so you get the biggest GH pulse, but you also get more prolactin and cortisol than the other GHRPs. Ideally you want to combine one GHRP (GHRP2/GHRP6/ipamorelin/hexarelin) with a GHRH like CJC1295 w/o DAC. There is no synergistic benefit in stacking different GHRPs like there is with a GHRP+GHRH. Rather add in an extra shot during the day than mix the hex/ghrp6.

I'm planning on doing:

Wake up: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC
Post workout: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC
Bed time: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC

On off days I'll probably do my shot before I go for a run to aid with fat burning. I'm still not 100% decided on how I'm gonna run it. Open to suggestions.

big jay wrote: Ok thanks was just worried about the chains, hexarelin200mcg bed,with 100mcg ghrp6,and another 1 ghrp in morning, going to add cjc too, whats the difference between the hex and ipam? if you mix them with ghrp makes them so strong pulse. With you ipam u pinning morning,30min before train,bed? Thanks

Hey bud! It is better to pin more often than to up the dosage. 100mcg per shot is the optimal/saturation dosage. You build up a tolerence for hexa and therefor you need to cycle 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. Ipa is the superior peptide in my opinion. It will be a waste to pin 200mcg hexa and 100mcg ghrp6. You might utilise 200mcg of that dosage. Many people have sleeping issues with the ghrp6 so i would pin the hexa pre bed and the ghrp6 in the morning. Rather work in a additional pin somewhere in the day. Something like

Morning: 100mcg ghrp6
somewhere in afternoon: 100mcg ghrp6 or hexa
pre bed: 100mcg hexa

MA's protocol above is optimal!

my 2c

I do 5 shots of GHRP-6 of 100mcg daily. Only downside is hunger - it helps with joints alot!!

I pin quads,triceps and stomach skin.

Thanks guys, ja just testing them, i just pin ghrp in the morning and i seem to be able to eat the whole day, u guys will see the pins get on your nervs so thinking of the ipam and cjc with dac? . Pin ghrp6 morning 100mcg, then ipam and cjc before sleep, just using it for joints and recovery. thanks for the help gents! I dont know if its just me or do you find your bodyfat slowly drops in the areas you pin?

Hey Guys, I'm just waiting for the guy that gave my friend a cycle of Ipam,Hex,CJC1295. It worked very good for him. I know he had to pin each one at a different time of the day.

I will post as soon as I receive it!

Muscleaddict wrote: So you're doing hexarelin with GHRP6? I chose ipamorelin because it doesn't have any effect on cortisol or prolactin. Hexarelin is the strongest GHRP so you get the biggest GH pulse, but you also get more prolactin and cortisol than the other GHRPs. Ideally you want to combine one GHRP (GHRP2/GHRP6/ipamorelin/hexarelin) with a GHRH like CJC1295 w/o DAC. There is no synergistic benefit in stacking different GHRPs like there is with a GHRP+GHRH. Rather add in an extra shot during the day than mix the hex/ghrp6.

I'm planning on doing:

Wake up: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC
Post workout: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC
Bed time: 100mcg ipamorelin + 100mg CJC1295 w/o DAC

On off days I'll probably do my shot before I go for a run to aid with fat burning. I'm still not 100% decided on how I'm gonna run it. Open to suggestions.

bud, thats pretty much exactly how i want to run a cycle in jan, im itching cause my shoulder is nagging me for it. but anyway, im highly interested to know what your take on it is when you start,

as for my method, will run the same as yours, BUT unsure about the second pin, as to either hit it pre or post WO, i have found highly conflicting views on both, :S

just remember carbs and fats blunt gh release, protein doesn't. don't pin too close to eating. 15-25 min after post workout pin consume your high protein shake.

ghrh/cjc will make the environment more suitable for gh release this means when combing a ghrp with cjc your wait time decreases to min 1 hour post meal. helpful if you pinning 100 times a day like gorilla.

PoisonedPulse wrote: as for my method, will run the same as yours, BUT unsure about the second pin, as to either hit it pre or post WO, i have found highly conflicting views on both, :S

I am going with post workout because this is when you'd get the most anabolic effect from the GHRP/GHRH. Reason being that weightlifting upregulates (increases the number of) the IGF-1 receptors in the worked out muscles temporarily, so immediately post workout is when muscle will react best to the increase in IGF-1 caused by the peptides. This is when you want the release of IGF-1 to peak so that you can get new muscle cells. You also want the IGF-1 as high as possible when you have your shake because it forces all the aminos/glucose into your muscles for growth.

Muscleaddict wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: as for my method, will run the same as yours, BUT unsure about the second pin, as to either hit it pre or post WO, i have found highly conflicting views on both, :S

I am going with post workout because this is when you'd get the most anabolic effect from the GHRP/GHRH. Reason being that weightlifting upregulates (increases the number of) the IGF-1 receptors in the worked out muscles temporarily, so immediately post workout is when muscle will react best to the increase in IGF-1 caused by the peptides. This is when you want the release of IGF-1 to peak so that you can get new muscle cells. You also want the IGF-1 as high as possible when you have your shake because it forces all the aminos/glucose into your muscles for growth.

Would the insulin spike not negate the effects of the GHRP? Also would the excessive IGF-1 levels not cause the release of somatostatin?

Muscleaddict wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: as for my method, will run the same as yours, BUT unsure about the second pin, as to either hit it pre or post WO, i have found highly conflicting views on both, :S

I am going with post workout because this is when you'd get the most anabolic effect from the GHRP/GHRH. Reason being that weightlifting upregulates (increases the number of) the IGF-1 receptors in the worked out muscles temporarily, so immediately post workout is when muscle will react best to the increase in IGF-1 caused by the peptides. This is when you want the release of IGF-1 to peak so that you can get new muscle cells. You also want the IGF-1 as high as possible when you have your shake because it forces all the aminos/glucose into your muscles for growth.

Koe007 wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: as for my method, will run the same as yours, BUT unsure about the second pin, as to either hit it pre or post WO, i have found highly conflicting views on both, :S

I am going with post workout because this is when you'd get the most anabolic effect from the GHRP/GHRH. Reason being that weightlifting upregulates (increases the number of) the IGF-1 receptors in the worked out muscles temporarily, so immediately post workout is when muscle will react best to the increase in IGF-1 caused by the peptides. This is when you want the release of IGF-1 to peak so that you can get new muscle cells. You also want the IGF-1 as high as possible when you have your shake because it forces all the aminos/glucose into your muscles for growth.

Would the insulin spike not negate the effects of the GHRP? Also would the excessive IGF-1 levels not cause the release of somatostatin?

You wait 15-30 minutes after the injection before you consume carbs so that the insulin spike does not minimize the GH release caused by the GHRP/GHRH.

Totally right that IGF1 stimulates somatostatin. Somatostatin won't have any effect on the GH that just been released by the GHRP/GHRH. It will just prevent any more GH release. The surge of GH from the GHRP/GHRH happens within minutes after injection and tapers off over a few hours.

What is special about GHRPs like ipamorelin vs GHRH is that they actually suppress somatostatin. So you can get a GH release from ipamorelin even when somatostatin would be preventing GHRH from working.

thanks for clearing that up bud, as with the shake you stated below, aswell as mornings, wake up and pin, 30 min later eat first meal? and the post workout pin, 30min later have a shake? pre bed will be fine as obviously dont eat till the next day, i do have a shake and fats etc before i sleep, but ill just move it awhile before i close my eyes, sound acceptable MA?

aswell, what cycle did you settle on to run with the peptides bud?

@poisonpulse: Im no MA, but I do my shot 30mins before bedtime, then at bedtime I eat - Someone on this forum told me thats enough time to pulse the gh...

I also do a shot when I wake for a piss...

and how do you find the frequent pinning? i worked out 6 months @ 3 pins a day, is well over 500 pins, gotta get creative with my injection sites

Bro those lil needles are fokol! I do triceps,quads and abs...

You get the 0,5ml syringes which have a 31G little needle thats nothing. then my pharmacy only had the 1ml's with 27G needles and thats not a lekke pin though, where there is less body fat like triceps you sometimes have to push that needle hard!

iv noticed different sizes too, its not the needle im worried as its tiny, just the inconvenience of finding 558 sites and to become a pin cushion haha

ok... so after some consideration, and the lingering curiosity about these peptides, (ipam + cjc) im going to run them now as a bridge between cycles, and hopefully get some recovery out of my shoulder before i look at another cycle and damaging it more, main goals will be to accurately log my experience of the peptides alone, recover my nagging shoulder aswell as maintain my previous cycle gains

my reasoning is that if i add it on cycle next year for the first time, i wont really be able to report on true gains as AAS will be a big factor in growth and fatloss, where as now i can monitor any gains or progress made, i think it makes alot more sense, IF i find any benefit from these two peptides over the next 12 weeks i will consider the continuation into my cycle in jan, now i just have a few questions if muscleaddict or abc or anyone with experience for that matter can help me with;

1. the timing of my pins (ill be running 100mcg ipam +cjc 3x daily) optimally morning, post workout and pre-bed... BUT my problem is this

i train in the evenings at 6pm, generally finish around 7.30-8 dependent on how full the gym is, so post workout shot would be around that time frame, would this not be too close to my pre-bed pin, as i generally sleep anywhere between 11-12ish, would pre workout be a better option (will be at around 5.50pm Ed) ??? so my 3 shots can be more evenly spaced through out day?

2. the food topic- to my knowledge calories should be avoided atleast 1.5-2 hours pre pin, and around 30 min post pin, is that a safe guidline to use? diet will be high in calories too so concerned about timing for carbs and fats.

thats the main two concerns for now, ill be getting enough to run for 6 weeks, and ill reassess from there.

i will update on any findings etc. looking to start from monday, im open to any and all suggestions so dont be shy;)

thanx

PoisonedPulse wrote: ok... so after some consideration, and the lingering curiosity about these peptides, (ipam + cjc) im going to run them now as a bridge between cycles, and hopefully get some recovery out of my shoulder before i look at another cycle and damaging it more, main goals will be to accurately log my experience of the peptides alone, recover my nagging shoulder aswell as maintain my previous cycle gains

my reasoning is that if i add it on cycle next year for the first time, i wont really be able to report on true gains as AAS will be a big factor in growth and fatloss, where as now i can monitor any gains or progress made, i think it makes alot more sense, IF i find any benefit from these two peptides over the next 12 weeks i will consider the continuation into my cycle in jan, now i just have a few questions if muscleaddict or abc or anyone with experience for that matter can help me with;

1. the timing of my pins (ill be running 100mcg ipam +cjc 3x daily) optimally morning, post workout and pre-bed... BUT my problem is this

i train in the evenings at 6pm, generally finish around 7.30-8 dependent on how full the gym is, so post workout shot would be around that time frame, would this not be too close to my pre-bed pin, as i generally sleep anywhere between 11-12ish, would pre workout be a better option (will be at around 5.50pm Ed) ??? so my 3 shots can be more evenly spaced through out day?

2. the food topic- to my knowledge calories should be avoided atleast 1.5-2 hours pre pin, and around 30 min post pin, is that a safe guidline to use? diet will be high in calories too so concerned about timing for carbs and fats.

thats the main two concerns for now, ill be getting enough to run for 6 weeks, and ill reassess from there.

i will update on any findings etc. looking to start from monday, im open to any and all suggestions so dont be shy;)

thanx

Like I said I haven't got experience with ipam/cjc, first injections tonight , But from what I've read you'll be fine doing pre workout injections instead of postworkout, but some guys say it makes then a bit sluggish during their workout and that their body gets used to it. It probably doesn't make that much difference if you do it pre/post. I'll be trying both to compare anyway.

The reasoning behind post workout shots is the same as why you'd inject IGF1 post workout. To take advantage of the upregulation of IGF1 receptors for growth, and the increased GH->IGF1 helps with transporting nutrients and aminos to your muscles. IGF1 receptors are only upregulated for a short amount of time after a heavy workout, so post workout shots should be done as soon as possible after your lifting session to take advantage of that if you do go for postworkout.

Regarding food, wait an hour after eating carbs before you inject and 2 hours after eating fats. 30 mins after injection you can eat, maybe 20. In studies on pigs maximum plasma concentration of GH after ipamorelin is 12 mins after injection and then it tapers off. Yea, not exactly a reliable comparison but just to give you an idea.

Thanks very much bud, I understand the logic and importance behind it, the unsure part is, could I pin post work out, and then again before bed, would it not be too close together? For example my pin ptotocol would look like this if I pinned post workout, morning (around 8.00am_ then post workout (7.30-8.00pmish) and then pre bed (11.30pm) ?