HCG injection protocol question

Do HCG on cycle. 250iu x a week, up to MAX 1000iu a week. That's my advice. Recovery is much faster because your balls never stop producing testosterone this way. Your testes will not be 'shutdown'. Only your hypothalamus & pituitary need to recover which is what the clomid/nolva helps with.

I think beemers problem is he is already in his bridge.

250 to 500IU EOD during bridge if you haven't been using on cycle. Same kind of doses as if you were running it during PCT.

If you're on an AI you can dose the HCG higher. You won't desensitise your testes to LH if you only do it for a few weeks according to Dr Scally.

Ha ha sorry to bring this up again (yes i know) but if im using hcg at 250iu twice a week during my cycle, should i run it through the bridge up too pct or stop it together with last test shot?

Get off the hcg 1week before pct starts- is this correct?

You can run it right up to PCT. 1 week won't make any real difference to recovery though if you've been doing it through your cycle.

Muscleaddict, if running HCG on cycle when using a long ester test such as cyp is it necessary to run the HCG from week one or later in the cycle?

Your body stops producing testosterone as soon as the steroids reach a level in your bloodstream which is higher than the amount of androgens you naturally produce, so even from week 1 your pituitary will release only miniscule amounts of LH leading to testicular shut down.

But it takes a while for your balls to start shrinking and for the cells that produce testosterone to downregulate so you don't need to start from day 1. If for example you are doing a 12 week injectable cycle and start the HCG half way through and continue until PCT, then by that time your balls will be completely ready to continue natural test production with zero shutdown when you start your clomid/nolvadex. I start about a month into the cycle. Recovery is way better doing HCG during your cycle. Your testes can't recover to pre-cycle functionality in only 2-3 weeks of HCG just in PCT after being shut down for 3 or 4 months.

It is important to not do high doses of HCG if your are doing it throughout your cycle as this will downregulate LH receptors in your testes so that they don't respond normally when your start producing regular levels of LH again in PCT. No more than 1000iu a week (2x 500iu) on very suppressive cycles and 500iu a week (2x 250iu) is fine on most mild cycles like 600mg test a week with a kicker.

Comprehensive response as always, much appreciated. I'll do this for my first cycle.

Your body produces about the same LH per week as 40iu HCG. I started HCG 6 weeks into cycle so i kickstarted my testes with 2500iu (40iu x 6). I just rounded 2400iu to 2500iu. The next week i just started with 250iu x2 per week for the rest of my cycle, till one week before my pct.

Quick question. When you inject HCG should you aspirate for subQ injections?

Nope. You only aspirate to check if the needle is in a vein/artery. No chance of that with sub q shots.

Also if I start now I still have about four weeks of test and then my bridge, can I run it all the way to my PCT and through PCT?

I have heard of it increasing testicular size so if I run it lets say off cycle will it increase the size of the goons? Just to grow them a bit Obviously nothing stupid 250mcg eod or something. couple weeks on couple weeks off kinda thing?

How long have you been on cycle and how long will your bridge be? I'd say if you've been on the HCG 2 months when you start PCT then you won't need any during PCT. I never use it once I start my nolva/clomid as I prefer to run it on cycle rather than during PCT. If you do run it during PCT you should really use aromasin to bring down estrogen as well.

Yes it makes your balls a bit bigger and will increase your load for the missus but of course it's not good to mess with your hormones too much when you're recovering off cycle.

Iv been on for 11 weeks. cycle is 15 weeks then four week bridge to pct so I guess ill be able to run it for two months before pct which is good

Ok so reconstructed my hcg just now.

The problem is when i drew out the bac water it was only like 1.5ml, is this fine?

Thats like 0.075ml per shot to get 250iu

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Ok so reconstructed my hcg just now.

The problem is when i drew out the bac water it was only like 1.5ml, is this fine?

Thats like 0.075ml per shot to get 250iu

If your conversion is correct it would be 7.5 iu on a slin pin. FYI 1iu=0.01ml.

Just note what ml insulin syringe you're using. The 0.5ml's "lines" = 1 iu whereas my 1ml's "lines" rep 2iu

Im using 0.3ml insulin syringes.

I figured the dosing now.

Ran into other issues now- the small needle is so short it just made it into the vail, but when drawing out the fluid it draws a air bubble first and no matter how you try theres no getting it out.

Not to mention how blunt the needle felt after going through the rubber. Hurt like a bitch.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Im using 0.3ml insulin syringes.

I figured the dosing now.

Ran into other issues now- the small needle is so short it just made it into the vail, but when drawing out the fluid it draws a air bubble first and no matter how you try theres no getting it out.

Not to mention how blunt the needle felt after going through the rubber. Hurt like a bitch.

Try back-loading a few. Will prevent blunting of the needle.

Thanx will give that a try. Would it be fine if i inject the excess fluid back into the vail?

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: ...but when drawing out the fluid it draws a air bubble first and no matter how you try theres no getting it out......

I squirt the first bit back in. The next time you draw the surface tension is roken and the syringe wall accepts the liquid.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Thanx will give that a try. Would it be fine if i inject the excess fluid back into the vail?

Yip. Just keep everything sanitary. I dump my peps if the needle touches anything I haven't treated with alcohol.

Have you had your next injection yet?

Heretic47 wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Thanx will give that a try. Would it be fine if i inject the excess fluid back into the vail?

Yip. Just keep everything sanitary. I dump my peps if the needle touches anything I haven't treated with alcohol.

Have you had your next injection yet?

No next shot is Tuesday, will see how it goes:pinch:

Hey Prog. I am not sure if this is what JR is saying, but what I do is pull the fluid into the insulin needle, then slowly squirt it back and push as hard as I can to get the air bubble out, then repeat until the air bubble is gone. Before you inject the HCG hold the syringe in your hands for a couple of mins cause if it's cold it burns like hell! I have no injection pain with HCG at all hey.