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04 Sep 2016 13:09 #203175 by Musclemaniac
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00pump ? :)

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04 Sep 2016 22:45 #203185 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Did you see a endo about tests?

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04 Sep 2016 22:59 #203186 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks for your help mate . Very interesting post from MA . Will save this info for future use , But won't be using it anytime soon , only when I feel I've mastered the subject . Don't want to do anything stupid again .

Neeh, haven't seen an endo yet . But I am looking to see one soon .

Well , still hoping 00pump will give me some advice on what to do . Only then I will look into seeing an endo . I just hope i haven't f****d my leydig and sertoli cells .

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07 Sep 2016 13:06 #203316 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Hey Musclemaniac +1 for patience.

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07 Sep 2016 13:13 #203317 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Been thinking and reading bro.

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Head over to these links at amazon.

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From this link start checking out which ones you dig.

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07 Sep 2016 22:03 - 09 Sep 2016 07:15 #203402 by Th@nks-a-ml
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SORRY MUSCLEMANIAC SEEMS ME GOING AHEAD AND BUYING THOSE BOOKS AND THEN RELATING THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU HAS LEFT MEMBERS UPSET. SO ILL REFRAIN FROM FURTHER TRYING TO HELP AS IT WOULD SEEM EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND APPARENTLY KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE TO FIND IT.

OCT: Off-Cycle Therapy

The objective of anabolic steroid therapy (when nonmedical
applications are involved) should be to elicit the desired
benefits with the lowest cumulative exposure and side
effects. This normally includes diligence with optimizing all
aspects of training, rest, and diet, as well as adhering to a
Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) program at the conclusion of each
steroid cycle. One the one hand, we want to make each cycle
as productive as possible. On the other, we are striving to
retain the most gains so the starting point for the next cycle is
that much further along. When all aspects are in check, the
result should be a need for lower total doses, fewer cycles
(longer durations of abstinence), and shorter durations of use
oncycle.
Given the importance of retaining our muscle and
performance gains, however, our efforts in this regard should
not conclude with Post-Cycle Therapy. Indeed, to receive the
greatest long-term benefits from anabolic/androgenic steroid
therapy it is also advisable to initiate an Off-Cycle Therapy
(OCT) program when the PCT is over. The focus of OCT is
typically to use all natural substances (dietary supplements)
that favor muscle retention, while simultaneously allowing
general physiology and hormonal balances to return. While it
is fair and even advisable to approach dietary supplements
with a healthy level of scepticism, the field has legitimately
advanced enough that we do have products with tangible
value. We can find ways to make our programs more
effective in the absence of pharmaceuticals.
A well-organized OCT program lasts a minimum of six to
eight weeks, and consists of three distinct components. The
first is “Testosterone Support,” which seeks to extend an
effective PCT program, but with a different and much more
basic approach. The second part is “Muscle Cell
ReSensitization.” Heavy training disrupts the muscle cell
membranes, so that the muscles become less responsive to
exercise stimulation. We want to address this during OCT,
and prime the muscles for the next bout of intense training.
Lastly, we want to include one or more natural musclebuilding
substances in the program. This part is called
“Anabolic Supplementation”. If the right products are used,
distinct anabolic/anti-catabolic effects should be noticed,
and more muscle mass will be retained in the long run. All
three OCT components are taken simultaneously, sometimes
for the full period between the end of PCT and the start of the
next AAS cycle.
Part I: Testosterone Support
The testosterone support aspect of our OCT program is
substantially different than what is used during traditional
PCT. We are no longer looking to aid endogenous
testosterone production with anti-estrogenic drugs like
tamoxifen or clomiphene, nor to use pharmaceuticals that
mimic endogenous luteinizing hormones such as hCG. All
pharmaceutical strategies have been concluded at this point,
and hopefully have elicited the necessary effects. During
OCT, we want to provide our bodies some of the natural
components used in the synthesis of testosterone. We want to
augment our own natural processes, not artificially shift
them.
Vitamin D/Calcium/Zinc
The first thing to pay special attention to during OCT is our
vitamin and mineral status, particularly those components
that are integral to testosterone biosynthesis. This includes
Vitamin D, Calcium, and Zinc. To begin with, clinical
studies have shown that higher levels of Vitamin D in the
blood are associated with increased testosterone output.359
Thus, supplementing Vitamin D may be advantageous during
the long OCT period, when you will be relying solely on
your natural testosterone for the hormonal support of
anabolism. Calcium is another nutritive component involved
in hormone function, especially the level of bioavailable
(free) testosterone.360 A dose of 500-1,000 mg daily may be
useful if dietary sources are insufficient. Lastly, a small dose
of zinc may also be taken if needed, as this mineral again is
tied to androgen biosynthesis.361 Any deficiency in zinc will
likely translate into suppressed (sub-optimal) testosterone
output.
D-aspartic Acid
D-aspartic acid (DAA) may also be useful during OCT.
DAA is an amino acid that is naturally found in the nervous
and endocrine systems, and is believed to play roles in such
things as neurotransmission, spermatogenesis, and hormone
biosynthesis. Clinical studies that gave 3.2 g/day of Daspartic
acid per day (as sodium salt) to healthy men resulted
in a 42% increase in serum testosterone levels in most
subjects.362 This same dose is recommended during OCT.
Part II: Cell Re-sensitization
Repeat high intensity exercise, especially resistance training,
causes disruption of the muscle cell membranes. This
disruption is in many ways desirable, as it is needed to
initiate muscle growth and repair. Without damage, there is
no progress. There are some negatives to regular disruption
of the muscle cells, however. One of the most fundamental is
that the outer membranes of the muscle cells (which consist
mainly of fatty acid compounds called phospholipids) are
rearranged. In particular, the concentration of arachidonic
acid (ARA) is lowered.363 ARA supports the local anabolic
process.364 Likewise, its depletion is one of the common
factors in training stagnation.
Arachidonic Acid
To help replenish membrane phospholipids and restore
muscle cell responsiveness to training, arachidonic acid
should be supplemented during the OCT period. A daily dose
of 250 mg is recommended, which represents 50-100% of
the normal daily dietary intake of ARA. This amount should
be sufficient for phospholipid replenishment, and acceptable
for long-term use. Higher doses (500-1,000 mg per day) may
provide a more distinct muscle-building effect, but should be
limited to six to seven weeks.
Fish Oil
It may also be useful to supplement with fish oil during the
OCT period. The main interests are docosahexaenoic acid
(DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), two Omega-3
essential fatty acids that are also important constituents of
muscle cell membrane phospholipids. Additionally, studies
suggest that Omega-3 essential fatty acids may enhance the
membrane storage of arachidonic acid under some
conditions, and thus may indirectly support the pro-anabolic
effects of this EFA.365 A daily dose of 2 grams of fish oil is
typically recommended during an Off-Cycle Therapy
program.
Part III: Anabolic Supplementation
An optimal Off-Cycle Therapy program should also include
natural products with anabolic/anti-catabolic properties.
Many AAS users are skeptical of muscle-building
supplements, and rightfully so. The market can be very
unreliable, with even the best products falling far short of
AAS in terms of efficacy and reliability. Still, the field has
progressed a great deal over the years, and there are many
products of tangible value. And even a partial muscle sparing
effect during the OCT period is highly desirable, as it can
significantly alter the baseline muscle level by the start of the
next steroid cycle (and thus may influence the timing, dose,
or duration of AAS required). It is recommended to limit
supplementation to only those ingredients with proven
anabolic effects in humans. For a more detailed analysis of
natural anabolic supplements, please reference William
Llewellyn’s Sport Supplement Reference Guide.366
Creatine Monohydrate
Creatine monohydrate is regarded as the “original” anabolic
supplement, as it was the first to offer substantial
performance and body composition improvements for most
users. It is typically taken for 8-12 weeks or longer
(sometimes throughout the entire OCT period), at a dose of 5
grams per day. Creatine augments muscle size and
performance through several distinct mechanisms. The two
most prominent are cell volumization (water retention) and
cell energy enhancement (cellular ATP resynthesis), although
the supplement also has direct protein synthetic and anticatabolic
properties.367
Beta Alanine
Beta Alanine is a non-essential amino acid that serves as a
direct precursor for carnosine synthesis. During exercise,
hydrogen ions are produced in the muscle cells, which cause
the pH level to drop. This precipitates muscle fatigue.
Carnosine acts as an intramyocellular buffering agent,
countering the build-up of hydrogen ions. By serving as the
rate-limiting step in the synthesis of muscle carnosine, betaalanine
is a strong stabilizer of muscle pH. 368 A dose of 3-6
grams per day is typically used, which should allow the
individual to perform measurably longer during training.
While this may not be a direct anabolic effect, over time the
increased training stimulation can lead to greater muscle
preservation/gains.
Branched-Chain Amino Acids
There are three essential Branched Chain Amino Acids
(BCAA) – leucine, isoleucine, and valine. These amino
acids are very abundant in skeletal muscle protein,
accounting for 14-18% of the total content.369 370
Supplementation with BCAAs is desirable for a couple of
reasons. The first is that they provide integral building
blocks for the synthesis of new muscle protein. From a
nutritive standpoint, BCAA supplements are very useful.
Moreover, BCAA appear to directly stimulate muscle cells
to synthesize and retain protein.371 They are, in fact, among a
small selection of clinically validated anabolic supplements
in humans. A dosage of 10 grams per day (post-training) is
most often used.
Typical OCT Program (8-12 Weeks)
Testosterone Support:
Vitamin D 3000 IU/day
Calcium 500 mg/day
Zinc Sulphate 250 mg/day
D-Aspartic Acid 3.2 g/day
Muscle Cell Re-sensitization:
Arachidonic Acid 250 mg/day
Fish Oil 2 g/day
Anabolic Supplementation:
Creatine 5 g/day
Beta-Alanine 3-6 g/day
BCAA 10 g/day

I hope that helps a little.

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07 Sep 2016 22:08 #203403 by Rooi Bul 86
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OK so you can copy and paste...

Now go back through all your posts mention that it is not your work and menotion the author. Give credit where credit is due... Do not claim that the work of others is yours.

It is on you. It always has been...

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07 Sep 2016 22:11 #203405 by Th@nks-a-ml
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I never claimed it was me and I said i would buy the books to help muscle.

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07 Sep 2016 22:13 - 07 Sep 2016 22:15 #203406 by Rooi Bul 86
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I am not just talking about this topic...

Anyway I am not Admin or a Mod but they will pick it up.

Love me or hate me just a friendly warning my brother.

Sorry if I came off from the wrong foot or angle

It is on you. It always has been...
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07 Sep 2016 22:25 - 07 Sep 2016 22:27 #203407 by Th@nks-a-ml
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I have ten plus years running a detox clinic. I have travelled the world attending health seminars and networking with the biggest alternative health players the world over.

All I have done is try to encourage people with regard to my expierance in life and where and what I have come across.

I have studyied ozone therapy with the top doctors in the world and locally.

I have done over a bar of business with the best natural supplement companies on the planet.

If my advise in trying to help people better prepare for the adverse conditions there body will go through is not welcome, I will gladly refrain from any further dialogue and let people rather worry about asking you for advise on how far they can push the limit and how can you help them get there.

Thanks for clearing things up and for taking the time to get to know me.

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07 Sep 2016 23:16 - 07 Sep 2016 23:17 #203410 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Warning?

Wtf is this pre school.

Are you the hall monitor.

Every product I have recommended I have used. Many times over.

So the member who is stressed out about atrophy for months , how did you advise him?

The member who has high liver readings? Anything ... nothing okay.

The member looking for a little detox help pre and post cycle? Nothing... oh I see.

So fk the new guy for not changing every word of advice and not placing a in depth ref guide and a clear line buy line statement, stating which letter was typed buy him and which was not.

Maybe try a welcome to the community first there big guy before commenting on people posts.
00pump was and is the only person who had the manners to welcome a new member.

I leave the natural advise and company ref to you from now on.

Would of been a diff story if I went around claiming I wrote everything. I put ref in where I can. Share links and do my best to direct people to the sites of the products I recommend.

Warning. WTF for giving people health advise.

What is wrong with you.

Why don't you post some world class supps and links I can check out to aid in my AAS stacks Pre and Post cycle?

Do not forget the ref bro I might tell admin you recommended filtered water and a healthy detox plan.
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07 Sep 2016 23:30 - 07 Sep 2016 23:33 #203412 by Th@nks-a-ml
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After looking at the recipe section Mnr I think you seriously need to get all the heavyweights that posted pics and recipes to clearly state which mag or online ref they copied them from.

Ideally you should comb all the posts and threads over the last 11 years and clearly indicate where there are clearly missing refs.

Please do not forget that any picture recipes included have a photographer that will not be happy if you use his snaps without contacting him first and getting a written consent to posting his delightful picture on a ASS
Steroid Site.

I'll bake you some cupcakes. My own recipe of coarse!!! :lol:
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08 Sep 2016 00:52 #203415 by Muscleaddict
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No need to get your panties in a knot over Rooi Bul's advice bud.

I'm sure many appreciate that you are trying to help, but you need to tone down the copy/pasting of entire articles. It is bordering on spamming and clutters the forum.
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08 Sep 2016 01:00 #203416 by Th@nks-a-ml
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All good. I will leave the forum.

At least we got vaccinations and essentiale forte for good health.

Wtf do I know.

Take care.

All the best.

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08 Sep 2016 06:52 #203419 by Rooi Bul 86
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Thanks Mil.

You can email me the cup cakes.
Chocolate, zero carbs and high protein and fat...

It is on you. It always has been...

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08 Sep 2016 20:26 #203481 by Rooi Bul 86
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There is something good for testicular atrophy we call it HCG.

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09 Sep 2016 00:20 - 09 Sep 2016 00:34 #203490 by Th@nks-a-ml
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You just proved all you were out to do was cause kuk.

You obviously never even looked at the paragraph above or even knew what the thread and conversation were about.


hCG in PCT

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a fertility drug that
mimics the actions of luteinizing hormone. It is commonly
used during the post-cycle period to address testicular
atrophy, which as we have seen is one of the fundamental
roadblocks to hormonal recovery. The hCG is typically taken
at a substantial dosage for a period of 2-3 weeks. Testicular
atrophy is caused by a lack of LH stimulation, and likewise
recovery is function of increased LH. The objective with
hCG is to maximize stimulation of the testes so their original
mass is recovered more quickly than if we relied solely on
physiological LH production. It is important that hCG not be
overused. Testicular sensitization to this hormone is a
delicately regulated mechanism. When hCG is taken for too
long or at too high a dosage, the LH receptor can become
desensitized.355 This can actually interfere with recovery of
hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis. A detailed program
utilizing hCG is outlined later in this section. For additional
information, please refer to the Human Chorionic
Gonadotropin drug profile in this book.
Anti-Estrogens in PCT
The anti-estrogenic drugs Clomid (clomiphene citrate) and
Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) are also commonly used during
the post-cycle period. These drugs are used to block the
negative feedback inhibition of estrogen, which occurs
primarily at the hypothalamus.356 This may foster the
heightened release of GnRH, and subsequently LH and
testosterone. While estrogen levels are not especially high in
men, it is still a very strong inhibitor of testosterone
release.357 Since it is also formed from the aromatization of
testosterone in peripheral tissues, its role in the regulation of
androgen biosynthesis is regarded as a fairly direct one. The
purpose of using anti-estrogens is to both trigger correction
in LH levels more quickly, and to augment total LH. They
may also be necessary to combat gynecomastia in some
individuals, which can occur even with low estrogen levels
(it is partly a function of the androgen to estrogen balance in
the breast).
It is important to note that the use of anti-estrogens alone is
generally not regarded as an effectively strategy for
addressing hormone recovery at the conclusion of a steroid
cycle. This is because these drugs only work by fostering the
heightened release of luteinizing hormone. We expect that the
post-cycle window is already partly characterized by
normal/high LH levels. Thus, while anti-estrogens may have
an additive effect in this regard, they do not effectively and
directly address the main roadblock to hormonal recovery
after steroid use, namely testicular atrophy. Because of this,
it is also generally advised to directly target the testes with
hCG. This usually means the initiation of a traditional PCT
program after every formidable period of AAS use, which
utilizes all three of the medications discussed in this section.
There are some exceptions when an abbreviated PCT
program may be desirable, which we will discuss later on.
Traditional PCT Program
The following PCT program was developed by Dr. Michael
Scally, one of the most well known and accomplished
individuals in the field of anabolic steroids and male
hormone replacement medicine. Scally has been a
particularly strong force lobbying the medical community and
government to recognize the hormonal imbalance that follows
steroid use, something he has dubbed anabolic steroid
induced hypogonadism (ASIH). He has also treated and done
blood work on hundreds of patients, and while doing so
developed the following PCT program. A slightly modified
form of this program was outlined in a clinical report
involving 19 healthy male subjects taking supraphysiological
(highly suppressive) doses of testosterone cypionate and
nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks. Scally’s “HPGA
Normalization Protocol” focuses on the combined use of
hCG, Nolvadex, and Clomid, and is perhaps the most trusted
and clinically supported post-cycle therapy program
presently available.
This PCT program begins with a substantial dose of hCG
(2000 IU every other day for 20 days). Anti-estrogens are
also used during this period. This is potentially important
because hCG may up-regulate testicular aromatase
activity.358 Thus, their use can minimize both estrogenic side
effects and reduce negative feedback inhibition of
testosterone release. The anti-estrogens taken are tamoxifen
citrate (20 mg twice per day) and clomiphene citrate (50 mg
twice per day). Clomid is used for a shorter period of time,
in a stepping down of the program’s medications. While in
the first couple of weeks the anti- estrogens may not be
highly effective, they should prove more critical towards the
middle and end of the program. In the published version of
Scally’s program (which is slightly modified from the
above), normal hormonal function returned in all subjects
within 45 days. This is a definite success, far more favorable
than the protracted recovery window reported in the study
with 250 mg/week of testosterone enanthate.
Protocols: Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is taken
at 2000IU every other day for 20 days. Clomiphene
citrate 50 mg is taken twice per day for 30
days.Tamoxifen citrate is taken 20 mg twice per day for
45 days.
The timing for a Post-Cycle Therapy program can be as
important as its composition. If it is initiated too late,
valuable days of normal hormone levels (and also some
muscle mass) may be lost. If you start the program too early,
you may miss the optimal window of effectiveness. The 20-
day period of time in which hCG is used is the most critical,
and thus we time the PCT program around this medication. In
particular, we want to make sure that hCG is being applied
right around the time that exogenous steroids are dropping
below the threshold of physiological androgen stimulation. In
the case of testosterone (the easiest drug to understand and
explain), this would be right before blood levels drop below
the normal level (350 ng/dL). There should be a small
overlap with the on-cycle period, so that hCG has a little
time to work before AAS levels are completely diminished.
The exact timing for PCT program is determined by the
elimination half-life of the drug(s) used. We will use
testosterone cypionate/enanthate as an example. We know
each injection has an elimination half-life of approximately 8
days. A dose of 200 mg/week should produce blood levels
of around 2000-2400 ng/dL after several weeks of use. It
would take about 3 half lives (24 days) for testosterone
levels to drop to approximately 250-300 ng/dL at that dose.
Thus, the PCT program would be initiated a few days to one
week after the last testosterone injection. The program would
be delayed with higher doses. For example, at 500 mg per
week of TC/TE it should take approximately 4 half lives (32
days) for testosterone to drop below the normal range. In this
case, PCT would be initiated about two weeks after the last
testosterone injection. With an orals-only cycle (with no
extended half-life due to an injection site reservoir), PCT is
initiated 7-10 days before the last steroid pills are taken.

What part of that did you not get? A bit dense.

Give someone enough rope and he'll hang himself
. Prov. If you give someone that you suspect of bad behavior the freedom to behave badly, eventually he or she will be caught and punished.

I think you have forgotten exactly the current state of using anabolics in SA is. You very comfortable it would seem there big guy. Copy-right police inspector with three years discussion of using illegal substances. You have not thought this through big guy. Do not open doors you cannot close.

Love me or hate me just a friendly warning my brother.

Sorry if I came off from the wrong foot or angle or something.

Jy soek vir kak bra met jou we call it HCG.

You are not a moderator so stop acting like one. Both Admin, pump and MA have spoken and addressed the issues. Or do all the mods have to run things past you first?
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09 Sep 2016 00:20 - 09 Sep 2016 00:35 #203491 by Th@nks-a-ml
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I will send them on condition you share them with the mods.

Chocolate, zero carbs and high protein and fat...

You got that down way way way down. :lol:
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09 Sep 2016 05:20 #203495 by Rooi Bul 86
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I am going to ignore the insults and taunts. Believe what you want. Like I said I was actually just looking out for you. I actully like and enjouy your detoxing advice and information. Would love to try some of those coctails. I oprerate with one lung and one dormant kidney. So you helped me already more than I can repay. Yet I think the reaction I got from you would have have been recieved by who ever warned you or gave you a heads up.
I am not wize with words so maybe I should have chisen my words better. I was really not looking for trouble I was actually looking out for you.That is why I did not mention dosage or duration with the HCG.

It can help if dosed right and for not too long with an AI. Worked for me I was shut down bad from a stupid DECA only cycle when I was 20. From 2007 till 2014. Luckily Admin, MA and Pump guided me through.

A friend of mine who abused Anadrol and Trenbolone for long periods is not so lucky though after HCG and an AI done through an End his blood work results are all over the place he got Gyno in the one breast as soon as he came off and his Testosterone levels are very very low.

So I know HCG can be both friend or for.
I do agree with you that Illegal substances Is a dark area because something you or I thrive on at a "proven" dosage with mean a heap of trouble for Billy in the corner.

It is on you. It always has been...
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09 Sep 2016 08:10 #203506 by Rooi Bul 86
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Joh just read that post again.

The autocorrect dropped me there.

I meant among others I know HCG can be both friend or foe.

I don't agree with 2000ui of HCG EOD though. I think that would also activate the negative feedback loop.

What would your thoughts be on 250IU EOD for 10-20days be?

From my experience with PCT as with many other things in life there is no one size fits all approach rather dose low and conservative and monitor the recovery with Pre and post blood tests and then after some off time to give th body a break repeate the PCT protocol ?

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10 Sep 2016 11:22 #203551 by Eidolon

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Joh just read that post again.

The autocorrect dropped me there.

I meant among others I know HCG can be both friend or foe.

I don't agree with 2000ui of HCG EOD though. I think that would also activate the negative feedback loop.

What would your thoughts be on 250IU EOD for 10-20days be?

From my experience with PCT as with many other things in life there is no one size fits all approach rather dose low and conservative and monitor the recovery with Pre and post blood tests and then after some off time to give th body a break repeate the PCT protocol ?


High HCG for around 20 days is a pretty common protocol for recovery from AAS-induced infertility.

A mate shared this elsewhere:

1. Hcg 1500iu EOD for 2 weeks
2. 36iu of HMG EOD for 1 week
3. Have 3 days off
4. Begin Nolva 40/40/20/20/10/10
5. Begin Clomid 100/100/50/50/25/25

It's close to the article Mil posted above, and has reportedly restarted a few guys from complete shutdown. I have not run this myself, but will probably do so when I decide to get off the B&C bus :)

I'm not sure negative feedback plays a role in such emergencies, but it is certainly overkill following moderate cycles.
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11 Sep 2016 22:12 #203593 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks you all for your help. Some very good info posted, which will surely help me in the future.

@Eidolon, thanks man. i have also heard and read about PCT's almost similar to the one you posted. Some swear by it, others say its just too much HCG in one shot.

Mods ? I am still waiting for your advise on what to do next in order to recover from the testicular shrinkage i am facing. Pump ? MA ?

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12 Sep 2016 07:00 #203598 by 00pump
Where are you currently at with it ?

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12 Sep 2016 10:22 #203606 by Muscleaddict
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The only thing you need to get your balls back to regular size is HCG. If HCG doesn't work then your HCG is a dud or has been damaged due to incorrect storage or reconstitution. Or you have a condition that needs medical attention. It can take a while to work.
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