Blood test results ! High prolactin & Progesterone

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24 Jul 2016 14:05 - 24 Jul 2016 14:07 #201850 by Pyroclasm

Musclemaniac wrote: Gents ,

It has been a month and a half now that I have done caber, my libido and erections still come and go . I feel that it's not normal , and something is not right for a 26 year old. One day I'll have a good one , but after a couple of days it's not the same . Any advice on what to do now ?


Explain exactly what you use, how much, and how frequent. Is it something you can live with? Or can you not handle it anymore? 1.5 months is nothing for hormones man. Remember we can only help you as much as what you share with us.
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24 Jul 2016 15:18 #201866 by 00pump
How is your overall mood?
Do you struggle to wake up in the morning?
Is your energy level lower than normal ?
How is your drive in the gym?
How is work / studies, are you coping or over it ?

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26 Jul 2016 09:51 #201943 by Demolish
it could also be that you are focusing too much on it and causing yourself unnecessary anxiety..... morning wood also varies dude.... give it some time.

like Pump said, what are you currently using?

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26 Jul 2016 12:14 #201950 by BEN3
My man. Run full bloods and take it from there. Self medicating will do more harm than good. Treat only what needs to be treated under a doctors supervision.

If all bloods are fine. Then you could have had a underlying problem before your cycle. ( stress, depression, cholesterol, sugar) that's killing your boners.

Bloods are costly. But if you looking for a quick fix. Lay all your stuff out here in detail and the mods will help out.

Hope you come right
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17 Aug 2016 10:35 #202731 by Musclemaniac
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What do you mean by what am I currently using ? You mean drugs ? Or juice ?
I am not on any medication, and I haven't taken any steroid for a full year now .
My overall mood is fine . Just everyday stress like everyone has , and a few problems here and there , but nothing critical .
My sleeping is fine , energy levels are good , gym drive is bad , and even energy levels at the gym are not good . But that is because I havent been training frequently for the past few months. Work is all good .

Anyways I've been feeling quite good lately . Not 100% , but better than the previous months . I guess I had to let prolactin levels settle at normal range ; since caber had dropped it to very low levels . I also think I was expecting to have the same high libido as I used to have when I was younger , which I think is wrong , right ? Or are libido levels the same from 18 up till 30 years ?

Do you guys think I can shoot in a cycle anytime soon ? Or must I give it some time ?

Thanks for your help guys.

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20 Aug 2016 19:26 #202791 by Pyroclasm
You can smash a cycle, for me no problem.

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29 Aug 2016 14:16 - 29 Aug 2016 14:31 #202996 by Th@nks-a-ml
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I need a fk**g drink after all that. Holy sh*t. I thought my prolactin and progesterone were sky high there for a moment. I am not on juice currently but was having a serious crisis there for around 4 pages. :sick:
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29 Aug 2016 17:06 #203003 by Th@nks-a-ml
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No disrespect meant Musclemaniac but I think you could do with a a little time away from the hormone game and ask yourself a few serious questions there. I realize these mods are constantly busy answering questions and do not have hours and hours to read between the lines on every comment or thread.

However I am little traumatized from this thread.

Seems to me you started very young.

In the prime of your life you started messing with hormones.

You stopped a tried and tested pct based on not feeling good on hCG.

You looked for veteran help three cycles in when shit was already out of hand.

You Crazy stressed about your fertility and the possibility of being sterile.

Patients is not your forte even in the face of veteran advice. ( Somewhat justified)

You questions are very basic and show a lack of studying and commitment on your part. Spending a little time and effort on this site would have helped prevent a seriously expensive and traumatic episode for you.

You say you not 100% recovered but hey lets fk**ing do it all again. Two, three pages ago it was I will never do AAS ever again.

And are a mans hormone levels different from the age of 18 verus 30. Four cycles in WTF. Really am I missing something here?

That shit is scary. Straight up.

Only cause I care bro.

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29 Aug 2016 17:40 #203004 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Lastly,

Now that I am turning 34 it hits me on how crazy it is that at 21-23 year old guys think juice is the answer to getting buff. I could f**k a whole in a cinder block at 18-25. Now at 25 you worried if you sterile going into your fourth cycle flying buy the seat of pants.

Juice is like diamond mining.

Imagine all the effort that goes into getting those little rocks out of the ground. All the time, the hard labour, all those massive machines, planning and investment.

The strange thing is once you have done all the ground work you left with something that now can be refined, cut and polished. Exponentially adding to the value of all the countless hours of graft and planning that went into placing oneself in a advantageous position.

Juice as I see it is the tool you use to cut and polish and refine ones bodybuilding journey. It is the tool you turn to when you have done all the ground work and made the investment.

How on earth at 21-25 could that even be a reality?

Seems people are picking up sand clods and putting them through diamond cutting and polishing machines.

Think hard about it. There is no shame in wanting Children and hitting the juice after 30.

Hope that brings a little different perspective your way.

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30 Aug 2016 23:40 #203060 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks for your advice brother .
The only reason I wanted to do another cycle ( test only ) was because I read in a few forums that doing another cycle and then a proper pct does also bring things to normal . That might be stupid , or not , I don't know . I'm just pilling up different opinions . I won't be shooting anything soon . Will just relax , eat right , train right and wait for thing to get back to normal .
My only and last question is : do my testosterone levels based on my blood tests (16.3 nmol/l ) indicate that my testicles are producing testosterone the way they are supposed to ? Or could it be that I have damaged them ?

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31 Aug 2016 10:09 #203062 by Th@nks-a-ml
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@Musclemaniac. I will leave your testosterone levels and testicle damage questions to the mods.

I am not sure exactly what your health history is or what exact compounds you ran prior to this last AAS coarse.

Not sure if if you did pct on your first two rounds of AAS as you changed Sh*t up during the third.

As for your emotional state and game plan for the future you sound good.

Once you get a protocol from the powers that be i would suggest getting things dialed in again before firing away.

There are risks to using juice.

Even the best of the best fully know and acknowledge that this ain't no supa c I am sucking on or that ain't

a simple vit b shot either.

I have no doubt you will learn from this, apply yourself diligently to the knowledge posted here on this site, dial in you training and nutrition and come back ready to smoke some plates.

Lord knows I made far worse mistakes than you at your age.

Take care bro.

Ps go look at www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...ass-for-my-testicles
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31 Aug 2016 16:38 #203077 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks for your help. I did PCT on the previous cycles, and all went well.

All i need to know now to get things sorted is the the question regarding testicular damage, mainly because my testes have dropped, but i have a feeling they are not as full as supposed to be.

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31 Aug 2016 18:19 - 31 Aug 2016 18:42 #203079 by Th@nks-a-ml
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We see what the heavy weights chime in on. Natural alternatives I can guide with. If you feel you got serious damage 00pump and them boys will have to guide you on doing another recovery with synthetics or if another straight test coarse will work. Not sure if hitting test and shutting down will help with recovering?

Was this damage only on the third coarse?

What previous AAS did you use?

How old were you when you hit your first stack?

What was your pct on 1 and 2 aas rounds?

What size different are we talking here?

You feel that they not as full as they supposed to be?

Lastly bro i just read through this thread again.

What advice have you tried and what have you not tried?

There was a lot of advise with natural and pct products at various dosages. Did you try them?

When is the last time you had full blood tests run?

Is the hap working 100% ?

Is it just a fullness issue? Are you feeling okay these days or sh*t?

Last sh*t from my side bro

www.solal.co.za/health/reproductive-health/erectile-dysfunction

www.solal.co.za/health/reproductive-health/fertility-men

www.solal.co.za/health/reproductive-heal...ncrease-testosterone

www.wickedsupplements.com/

All the best man.
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01 Sep 2016 13:46 #203101 by Musclemaniac
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I don't know if the damage is coming from the previous cycles . But after my 2nd cycle all was well . Erections and testicles were fine . It's only after the 3rd cycle that I've noticed changes . At the beginning I had ED problems , and all I did was caber at the dosage advised on this thread , and I feel it got better and it is getting better . I get a boner whenever I want to . The only thing I've noticed and I'm 100% sure now that it is not the way it's supposed to be are the testicles . They are not smaller than a grape , but not the size of an egg . They are in between . Full bloods were done around March this year . Looking at blood tests, testosterone is there , but then , why haven't the testes returned to normal size ?

Had a look at other threads , and they all say HCG with and anti - e is the way to go .
Or I must just give it time and wait to see a few months from now.

What do you say ?

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01 Sep 2016 14:17 - 01 Sep 2016 14:36 #203102 by Th@nks-a-ml
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If things have become to hectic I would suggest the following.

Start a new thread. Label it I need help from Mods only or Mod help needed. Something along those lines.

Lay out your case from the first time you used aas.
Give them your entire story and all relevant details.
Lay out your second aas coarse and all relevant details.
Include pct for both.
Lay out you third coarse details.
Try be clear and precise. You fkd this thread there a little on your communication a bit there bro.
The mods asked repeatedly for info and you missed a few critical options there.

If you all out of shape about it. Your second option is to use the contact us button. Right Admin a short description of your issue.

He will set straight you one time. That I do not doubt for a second.


If it was me after any synthetic coarse I would use my alternative supplementation knowledge to aid the mods synthetic knowledge to solve many of the issues (side effects) these younger chaps are facing. I do realise you need a lot of cash my way and that most folks are not really up to par with how natural substances impact one's health or the preventative measures we can take in aiding our bodies deal with aas sides.

Another chap has liver issues and I realise from that thread far more can be done from our ( user) side to prepare and support our bodies through the obvious stress we go through when juicing it up.

It seems far more focus needs to be placed on detox,support and nourishing our bodies prior to running a ass stack and then detox, support and nourish during and after as while.


Many are concerned with where do I pin
What I pin
For how long do I pin

Hey lets Fkn pin!!!

A pinch of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Get hold of admin dude. Ask him what he skimz about your situation. He knows his shit. Contact button. ( Be precise with him try not panic and fumble like in this thread)

P.S. I do not know anyone with testicles the size of chicken eggs. lmfao :lol:

All the best man

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01 Sep 2016 14:50 #203108 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks a lot brother . And yes, may be i panicked a bit, i wont lie. But believe me, you don't know how it feels to have a dick down there just hanging for almost a year. And then realizing your balls have not returned to their normal size too. Its f****'n depressing i must say. May be i take things too serious, or i'm more of a panichead than most of the people around here. But i need to sort this shit once and for all.

What critical options have i missed ?

I hereby apologize to the mods if i really fkd up in communicating.

I hope they help me out on this one. I will still send a message to Admin.

But from your point of view, what does it really mean when your testicles are producing test, and yet they have not recovered in size? Do you have any knowledge on that ?

Thanks for your help.

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01 Sep 2016 14:56 #203109 by Th@nks-a-ml
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See what admin says.

As far as I see it adding test injection are not going to solve a test size issue. Let see what they say.

It will most likely be the hCG route.

Maybe 00pump can direct on why you have lost size after following pct?

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01 Sep 2016 15:10 #203110 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Found this info.

How to Keep Your Balls in Order

Here's a great article courtesy of Mick "No Bull" Hart. This article is taken directly from Mick's No Bull Collection - the best bodybuilding and steroid magazine we have ever read, it's the only mag worth reading and absolutely the only one we recommend. To learn more click here.

By Marshall Brown. B.Sc. Ph D

A common problem amongst bodybuilders and other strength athletes is that of testicular shrinkage during the prolonged use of androgens / anabolic steroids.

This can be thought of in the following way: the hypothalamus in the human brain has a detection mechanism which regulates the release of many hormones which control the production of androgens by the testes and the adrenal glands. If this detection mechanism detects an abnormally high amount of androgen / anabolic steroids, which it recognises primarily as testosterone, then the hormones responsible for testosterone release will have their production decreased, and so the testes etc. will no longer be stimulated by these hormones, and so will cease, or decrease, production of natural testosterone, and so cause testicular shrinkage.

Oestrogen (androgens can aromatise in the body into oestrogens) have even more of a shut-off effect upon the release of androgens via the hypothalamus, and so we have a "double-edged" problem, with both androgens / anabolic steroids (which are all basically androgens) and oestrogens causing shut-down of hormonal stimulation of the testes, and thus testicular shrinkage.

One of the best ways to avoid this is to take some Tamoxifen (perhaps 20mg per day) in order to stop the oestrogen, from the aromatisation of androgens, acting upon receptors in the hypothalamus. Therefore, even though the oestrogens are still there, their effect is blocked by the Tamoxifen. This is also very useful to prevent gynaecomastia (bitch tits), i.e. formation of breast tissue in the male, caused by aromatisation of the androgens to oestrogens in the body.

Another very good idea is to use chrysin (an isoflavone compound, derived from plants), which prevents the formation of oestrogen in the first place, by inhibiting the enzymes which perform aromatisation on the androgens, and so very much reduce the production of oestrogens from the steroids, hence reducing the effect upon the hypothalamus, and so upon the testes. Therefore, testicular shrinkage can be very much reduced, and so you are likely to be preserving that part of the function of your endocrine hormonal system.

What if you say you don't care about it? Well, you can probably say goodbye to getting an erection if your own endocrine system is messed up, and you may also risk life-long infertility. Look after your health, and you will have a longer and happier life, and in this case, a more active sex life.

In general, if natural testosterone production shuts-down, then men experience problems in getting erections, or even become impotent, whilst wanting more sex! VERY frustrating, as you can imagine. Alternatively, sex drive may disappear completely, or be very much reduced.

Therefore, the message from this article is to use Tamoxifen AND chrysin DURING, and for four or five weeks AFTER a steroid cycle. It is then advisable to be off steroids for as long a period of time as you were on them, before you begin your next cycle. It is also advisable to use HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin) both during, and for four or five weeks after a steroid cycle. This acts directly upon the testes themselves, and helps to keep natural testosterone production going along.

If your testes do shrink slightly, then don't panic, as they will return to normal upon cessation of steroid use, as long as shrinkage is not severe: if so, stop the steroid cycle immediately by slowly tapering down the dosages (stop injectables first, followed by reducing oral steroid dosages).

Enjoy your bodybuilding, but remember, nobody should consider taking anabolic steroids until they have gained everything they can by using hard training, enough rest, a lot of protein, and everything else from the health food store i.e. by training naturally. This can take anything up to eight or ten years of consistent training, i.e. you have to make bodybuilding part of your life-style.

You are living dangerously if you don't follow this advice, and once you are so fit, you will experience far fewer, or no, side effects from steroids after all these years of natural training, i.e. you have 'prepared' your body for them.

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01 Sep 2016 15:39 #203111 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks for your help mate. Believe me , i have read so much about proper steroid use and PCT protocol all these months that i think i can write a book about it using so many different sources.

My main concern now is 100% recovery ( making sure my hormones are all balanced ), sorting out my slight shrinkage, and making sure i have not damaged the cells in the testes.

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01 Sep 2016 15:53 - 01 Sep 2016 15:55 #203112 by Th@nks-a-ml
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For any other folks following this thread this

www.healthcentral.co.za/solal-chrysin-x-60-s

Solal Chrysin X (60's)

A natural aromatase inhibitor, which assists in preventing the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Aging men suffer from the dual effects of having too little testosterone and excess estrogen. This can severely inhibit sexual desire and performance, as well as increase prostate cancer risk. For many men, a safe and easy way to increase free testosterone is to prevent it from being converted (aromatised) into excess estrogen, by using Chrysin X. Chrysin X increases and preserves testosterone, which accounts also for its ability to increase muscle growth. For added effectiveness combine with quercetin. Both Chrysin X and quercetin are also useful for the treatment of gout.

Another weapon for your pct.

@Musclemaniac. Well glad you have read up on everything.

Just a quick reminder that based on that article I posted shooting test is not gonna fix your testicular shrinkage :

If this detection mechanism detects an abnormally high amount of androgen / anabolic steroids, which it recognises primarily as testosterone, then the hormones responsible for testosterone release will have their production decreased, and so the testes etc. will no longer be stimulated by these hormones, and so will cease, or decrease, production of natural testosterone, and so cause testicular shrinkage.

Anyways,

Hope Admin and boys sort you out.

There is a wealth of natural alternative information posted.

All the best bro.
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01 Sep 2016 16:01 #203113 by Th@nks-a-ml
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Endocrinologist
Blood tests.

Finished and kla.

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01 Sep 2016 16:01 #203114 by Musclemaniac
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Thanks a lot .

The natural alternatives sound very good.

I am thinking of doing another set of blood tests, and then take it from there.

But i will wait and see what the mods and admin have to say .

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01 Sep 2016 20:25 #203117 by 00pump
I will respond to this thread soon, I'm just spinning with work, but you have been given some solid advice by our new brother

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01 Sep 2016 20:45 #203118 by Musclemaniac
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Yes , th@nks has helped me much , but I need to know why the testes are not as full as they are supposed to
be , and if I have done any damage to them . I am anxiously waiting for your answer . Thanks

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01 Sep 2016 20:51 - 01 Sep 2016 21:05 #203119 by Th@nks-a-ml
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@Musclemaniac. Hang in there in bro. He is just mad busy.

I kinda know what is on the way.

There are many variables with the prolactin and progesterone readings. The know the body is complex and are not going to wing it.

As they stated before in this thread they are not going to guess about shit.

Take comfort that you are in good hands. We will all do what we can as a collective to get you back in shape and on track.

Some fkn smart dudes hanging around here.

Chill out mun. Sending some guud vibes!!!

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