BCAA's (Branch chain amino acids)

Mason Might
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18 Jan 2015 22:28 #179766 by Mason Might

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Order from Ondier... Can't go wrong there

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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Mason Might
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19 Jan 2015 06:23 #179773 by Mason Might

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Here's one for you Pyro...

Can BCCA have an effect on ketosis? My thinking is that it is in essence a protein, and if it pushes your protein too high your body will be thrown out or kept from ketosis via the glucogenisis mechanism?

Or am I completely off track here?

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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20 Jan 2015 07:54 #179870 by Furk

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Mason Might wrote: Here's one for you Pyro...

Can BCCA have an effect on ketosis? My thinking is that it is in essence a protein, and if it pushes your protein too high your body will be thrown out or kept from ketosis via the glucogenisis mechanism?

Or am I completely off track here?

Unless you are eating BCAAs as straight food. Keep fats within range and you'll be good. Protein conversion happens when you are over consuming dietary protein vs. your protein synthesis needs. You want to be using fat and ketones for energy. There is nothing magical about BCAAs, just 3 conveniently isolated aminos. Especially if you are getting pure BCAAs from Ondier (BSSA).

TL;DR - Keep to a proper keto diet with enough fat and no carbs and avoid BCAA products with flavours/ fillers/sweeteners.

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donkiekong
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08 Feb 2015 20:59 #180808 by donkiekong

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TNT has a very nice product called kevler reload , 23g hydrolised whey , 5.3g bcaa and 23g carbs of with 18g is vitargo

I wanted to use this before my cardio sessions but is the vitargo going to be a problem? Making the cardio session basically useless?

Looking between

Nutritech amino boost
Titan myo-guard
TNT kevler reload

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14 Feb 2015 09:42 #181280 by donkiekong

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14 Feb 2015 09:43 #181281 by donkiekong

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14 Feb 2015 09:48 #181282 by donkiekong

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Sorry guys I wanted to ask you guys something

I got my self some TNT kevler reload and then I got BSN amino X

The kevler has 18g vitargo , 5.4g BCAA and 23g hydrolised whey so this could be a great intra workout , but I purely want to use it for cardio purposes , which one of the products should I use and how exactly ? Before my whole workout or right after weights before cardio ? Or di use the bcaa during cardio steadily sipping on it ?

Want to up my cardio to get down to 12% faster but keeping muscle

I do my workout , then cardio have my shake after that , so I would please like some info of where to add in the BCAA for full effect and sparing muscle while doing cardio and weights

and which one of the two products to use

This is a very amateur question but sorry guys I am really confused about the BCAA at the moment

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 10:33 #181283 by Mason Might

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Use the BCCA as an intra workout, during resistance training. And the Kevlar as a post workout, but post resistance.

The vitargo is a rapidly digesting carb and has the function of spiking insulin immediately post workout to shuttle nutrients into the muscles.

Have this during a long cardio session and you going to run out of steam half way through.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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14 Feb 2015 10:51 #181285 by donkiekong

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I am not entirely sure about what you saying

BSN amino 10g before/during my workout and the kevler post/during cardio ?

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 11:44 #181286 by Mason Might

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No bud.

When you do cardio you only NEED water.

When weight training it's awesome to have BCAA as an intra workout.

Post weight training have the Kevlar(for reasons I described above)

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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14 Feb 2015 12:00 #181287 by donkiekong

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Oky but here is the thing , I do weight training first and 10min after that I do my cardio ?

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14 Feb 2015 15:22 #181288 by donkiekong

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I really feel irritated that I can figure this out on my own , I do my weights first and then cardio and after all that I do my post workout shake

So please just enlighten me which one of the two supps fit in where ? BCAA during training as an intra and kevler directly after workout but before cardio?

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 16:15 #181289 by Mason Might

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ok Here is the order

Weight training
BCAA as intra

Cardio
Water

After cardio
Post workout

One hour after this, have a meal.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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14 Feb 2015 16:54 #181291 by donkiekong

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Oky so I use one supplement and not both , on small muscle days like arms , shoulders I use BSN and on big muscle days like back , chest and legs I use kevler ?

After training I do my cardio and directly after cardio my shake

1 hour after this I have a nice solid meal with protein and low GI carbs

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 18:40 - 14 Feb 2015 18:42 #181293 by Mason Might

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DK buddy :lol:

You use both supplements but they each have a different purpose.

Your BCAA is an intra workout, this is the ONLY intra you use.

The Kevlar is a Post workout. You use it ONLY as a post workout.

It has nothing to do with large or small muscle groups, it has to do with Optus
Optimum recovery.

So you can use both supplements on the same day, but you will use them at diffrent times for diffrent reasons...

And then an hour post your solid meal is perfect

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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14 Feb 2015 19:42 #181296 by donkiekong

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Oky thank you MM makes more sens now , ill use BCAA as a intra and use a normal whey as post

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 19:49 #181297 by Mason Might

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You can use the Kevlar as a post...

You want some High GI carbs(vitargo) immediately post workout to spike insulin and shuttle nutrients into muscle

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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14 Feb 2015 21:06 #181305 by donkiekong

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Immediately post workout - as in after the cardio session because my cardio session is 60min long?

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14 Feb 2015 21:11 #181306 by donkiekong

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Oky so let me just get this straight , bsn bcaa intra workout to keep me anabolic for at least 1hour - 1hour 30min

After weight training 60min cardio session then kevler , I'll just add in some extra protein

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 21:18 #181309 by Mason Might

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That's it Bro...
Or at least how I would do it... But each to their own

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14 Feb 2015 21:25 #181310 by donkiekong

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Oky no that actually makes sens as the amino's intra will actually only get into the blood stream in 30min time and keep you in an anabolic stat (amino's are the building block of muscle) so using the bsn intra should keep me at least anabolic for the next 2 hours and the "anabolic window" should not shut down to fast as cardio is still an exercise as your legs move and need to use the muscle to burn calories , so using the kevler with some added additional whey about 20g should make for a perfekt PWO shake and keep my body in a great anabolic state with the best chance of keeping muscle loss at a minimum and fat los as a max and not offering muscle for the sake of fat loss

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 21:28 #181311 by Mason Might

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Hahaha that's about it...

Very well thought out bud

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14 Feb 2015 21:42 #181313 by donkiekong

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Hahahahaha well sorry budy haha I took me like 2 days just to get there haha but finally now I also have an understanding so le me give this a shot more the next 2 weeks and repost back with any feedback or good news , will also be keeping an eye on training , look if something changes or improves like recovery , strength , size or pump

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Mason Might
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14 Feb 2015 22:02 #181315 by Mason Might

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It's better to understand the reasons for doing things than jumping in blindly...

And that sounds like a good plan bud.

Good luck

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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15 Feb 2015 09:01 #181316 by donkiekong

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Yes I feel that I should ask till I understand fully , I have been doing a lot of reading up last night

The bcaa activates the body to go into a anabolic stat while using bcaa as an intra workout , when exercise go's past the 60min mark the body transverse to amino asides and ATP stores for energy and this is where those 10g bcaa come in very handy for keeping the body anti-catabolic and sparing muscle while doing cardio

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