Gyno Surgery

Jeez Pump, looks very Eina. Hope the recovery is going well!

Got the drains taken out today, man that was painfull, got this warm sensation an nearly clutched out. Thank goodneee its over... doc has taken out the entire gland, and all tissue, all that is left is muscle. He did say I must not take steroids again, ha ha......

Haha, like thats gonna happen Happy recovering bro

Right...

I'm pissed off, I am on so little anabolics and already getting gyno signs.

Right now.

- 250mg Test C
- 700mg EQ
- 300mg Masteron
- 60mg proviron per day
- 0.25mg Letro since start of the cycle

Now my nipples have already started getting puffy and a bit sensitive so I have been upping the Letro to 0.5mg per day and been on Nolva for close on a week.

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't I just enjoy a cycle without this shit. I woke up 1 day from being able to take 1.5grams test a week, 1gram deca and using Dianbol start of a cycle and _NEVER_ had an issue, then around 5 years ago this all changed?

I am hoping it has not already caused to much trouble to get rid of, going to up the Letro to 1mg a day and cut out the test completely, I need it still to get out of the system though.

I will need to cut the EQ down to around 500mg as I feel that also has it's part to play in this. I will then look at running EQ 500mb / Primo 400mg / Masteron 300mg / Proviron 60mg

You recon the gyno should vanish in a week as I have spotted it early, I honestly will strip my moer if I have to go under the knife for the 3rd time.

Damn thats harsh man, your body just dont seem to like that test one bit.

It doesn't like anything that can convert.. I can only have DHT derivatives and EQ is looking bleek for me too... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT, i'm angry.. this f***** surgery was POES expensive... and I could have bought a freaking supercharger for my car...

What is the longest time you have been off the juice since you found that you became so estrogen prone?

I have 3 months clean outs and 14 to 16 week cycles and extra month pct

Maybe you should stick to creatine...

Maybe, however right now I need to control the estrogen.. in future only primo and masteron cycles..

This may seem a little out there but here goes..... Is it maybe possible that your body has developed a kind of reaction to any test that is introduced into the body, not like a allergic reaction but almost like a reflex action??? Maybe your body now associates test with estrogen prduction and is stuck in a cycle of doing so.

Maybe a longer lay-off say 6 month to 1 year off all juice or maybe just test could break that cycle.

Just a thought.

How do you handle nor tests like deca and tren-do you get prolactin gyno as well or is it just estrogen?
Sorry to hear its already coming back

I have had a year clean out before... I wonder if getting this cut out aggravates the gland, however this time I had a full mastectomy and the peck re-built with liposuction so I don't see how. I have gone up to 1mg of Letro now and going to keep it there for a week and then start to wean off a week and a half from now and remove the test completely out of my cycle... Remember EQ converts at rate of testosterone, so taking 250mg of test is like an extra 500mg EQ and taking 700/750mg of EQ is like that of 350mg of test + the extra 250 I'm already on is a mark of 600mg of test, which I know will cause severe gyno sides with me.

So I really need to just get the test out of my body, the reason I used it was for libido however this has totally back fired on me as I now have to use so much letro it is physically impossible to work "that muscle", so doing cock stands for me

So I'm thinking of getting the test out of the system, lowering the letro back down to 0.5mg once this itch and little puffiness is the nipple is gone then lower back down to 0.25 mg and then 0.25 every other day and hopefully the proviron will help with the free test and get my sex drive up.

Once again all this is speculation and I will have to see what happens in the next few weeks. Today there is no puffiness around the nipple, just the actual nipple itself is enlarged / sensitive.

Yohimbe, hmm, you know I have never had a test done for prolactin at the time I was using deca / tren. However my cycles used to always consist of Deca at around a gram+ a week. I then started getting puffy nipples, however after years of research I always put my gyno down to that of prolactin due to the way it grew, the puffy nipples / soft tissue. I always knew estrogen related gyno as the nodule / lump under the nipple but prolactin induced gyno was more this soft breast tissue.

Now thoughts that have crossed my mind is it possible that somehow I have a suppressed level of dopamine and that is causing the pituitary to secrete prolactin. Or is it this is just what estrogen type gyno does to me ?

Ok it's not getting worse.. And the itchyness seems to have gone, so if I can keep it like this and remove the test from this week then by next week things should be looking good.

I hate gyno and all I want to do is use 1.5grams of test and 700mg EQ... But no ammount of AI can even allow me to use 250mg test.

00Pump what if you started the AI a week or two before you started your cycle as sort of a pre-emptive attack ? Do you think this would allow you to take moderate amount of test then ? I am not an expert but just wondering if that would help.

Hi..

Nope... I have started 2.5mg Letro 2 weeks prior to a cycle and the gyno comes in.. Remeber letro supresses 98% of estrogen when you are not using gear. I don't know any tests that say it supresses 98% estrogen when you on a cycle. I honestly feel it's not that powerful when you on a cycle and that adex might actually be stronger when you using anabolics.

I am just unlucky as I said one day I woke up and my body didn't like steroids anymore... No amount of AI will stop me from getting gyno if I use test or anything that converts on the scale of testosterone.

I need to use DHT only and low doses of EQ.

Jees thats a real fucking bummer man. It's a pity you can't get any expert help to sort this shit out.

Well I have chatted to a number of surgeons and they say some people are sensitive to estrogen... guess I'm just one of those guys. It means i'm a real man...

00pump wrote: Well I have chatted to a number of surgeons and they say some people are sensitive to estrogen... guess I'm just one of those guys. It means i'm a real man...

Yeah.... me too. I get a hard-on as soon as estrogen gets too near.

Pump do you get sick or sore while on letro? Do you think its necessary to start with letro 2 weeks before cycle? I see opinions vary if this is necessary or not

Sorry to hear about this issue! Hope you get it under controle soon

Hmm, it doesn't mean the drug won't be effective however to reach stable levels so why not, during this time you may even have a libido boost.

Right been struggling with this gyno coming back.

Anyway this seems to be working however I wouldn't advise it to anyone else.

2.5mg letro pd
40mg nolvadex pd
25mg aromasin pd
100mg proviron pd
300mg masteron pw

Please note I never started on these crazy doses and been battling gyno for years. This seems to be working as soon as the aromasin was added. From tomorrow I will drop to 20mg Nolva a week later I will drop letro to 1.5mg and a week afterwards down too 0.5, I will stop the Nolva and Aromasin and contie on 0.5mg letro a day...

Sweeet

00pump wrote: Right been struggling with this gyno coming back.

Anyway this seems to be working however I wouldn't advise it to anyone else.

2.5mg letro pd
40mg nolvadex pd
25mg aromasin pd
100mg proviron pd
300mg masteron pw

Please note I never started on these crazy doses and been battling gyno for years. This seems to be working as soon as the aromasin was added. From tomorrow I will drop to 20mg Nolva a week later I will drop letro to 1.5mg and a week afterwards down too 0.5, I will stop the Nolva and Aromasin and contie on 0.5mg letro a day...

Sweeet

Pump is the proviron helping with the libido. Isn't the letro at that dosages killing it?

No libido....

00pump wrote: No libido....

UP the dose - i'm on 50mg split - schering - and i cant keep myself from causing shit! now that i opened a new lp HCG there seems to be MORE hastels.

150mg Deca/ 375 Sust (oraganon EOD)