Official peptide thread

Koe007 wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: Soooo gonna have to do a raincheck, had my shot earlier, came to the lab, only to find out they don't do the tests, sad thing is they didn't even know what they where, so maybe its better I didn't come here, but maybe saturday morning ill go to ampath labs at my hospital here, they said they can do the tests, bleh,

@koe007 .. I realise its nothing great compared to GH, but I am under 25 and I can't afford GH lol, so just testing the waters with the peptides, I'm enjoying the benefits so far, esp for my shoulder and the sleep, ill still stick to AAS for muscle building for now,

GABA is cheaper and also greatly helps with sleep and increasing GH levels.
Im sorry I just can't find myself buying into this whole peptide craze, I calculated the dosage really needed for optimal results and the frequency of shots needed, plus all the times you can't eat in an effort not to blunt the gh effects and its just too much. The cost at that dosage would be quite high and frequency of pins impractical.

This is just my opinion guys, if it works for you then go for it.

@KOE. If you had to choose cjc/ghrp or GH for the primary purpose of ligament repair, which would you choose

Koe007 wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: Soooo gonna have to do a raincheck, had my shot earlier, came to the lab, only to find out they don't do the tests, sad thing is they didn't even know what they where, so maybe its better I didn't come here, but maybe saturday morning ill go to ampath labs at my hospital here, they said they can do the tests, bleh,

@koe007 .. I realise its nothing great compared to GH, but I am under 25 and I can't afford GH lol, so just testing the waters with the peptides, I'm enjoying the benefits so far, esp for my shoulder and the sleep, ill still stick to AAS for muscle building for now,

GABA is cheaper and also greatly helps with sleep and increasing GH levels.
Im sorry I just can't find myself buying into this whole peptide craze, I calculated the dosage really needed for optimal results and the frequency of shots needed, plus all the times you can't eat in an effort not to blunt the gh effects and its just too much. The cost at that dosage would be quite high and frequency of pins impractical.

This is just my opinion guys, if it works for you then go for it.

very true bud, iv often found the pinning frequency and my meal planning a pain, but its been about 3 weeks, i have enough for around 8 weeks now, going to ride it out and assess results, if anything worthy.

and im too curious not to try for myself haha, :lol:

Heretic47 wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

PoisonedPulse wrote: Soooo gonna have to do a raincheck, had my shot earlier, came to the lab, only to find out they don't do the tests, sad thing is they didn't even know what they where, so maybe its better I didn't come here, but maybe saturday morning ill go to ampath labs at my hospital here, they said they can do the tests, bleh,

@koe007 .. I realise its nothing great compared to GH, but I am under 25 and I can't afford GH lol, so just testing the waters with the peptides, I'm enjoying the benefits so far, esp for my shoulder and the sleep, ill still stick to AAS for muscle building for now,

GABA is cheaper and also greatly helps with sleep and increasing GH levels.
Im sorry I just can't find myself buying into this whole peptide craze, I calculated the dosage really needed for optimal results and the frequency of shots needed, plus all the times you can't eat in an effort not to blunt the gh effects and its just too much. The cost at that dosage would be quite high and frequency of pins impractical.

This is just my opinion guys, if it works for you then go for it.

@KOE. If you had to choose cjc/ghrp or GH for the primary purpose of ligament repair, which would you choose

No doubt ill go for low dose GH 2.5iu everyday.
My knees were always stuffed,couldn't go low on squats, some of my earlier posts will show this. I have been on GH for almost 2 years and guess what no more knee pains.

Thanks Koe, but I don't think 1 month is long enough to run a GHRP/GHRH combo and for someone used to doing lots of GH I'd expect you to be disappointed. I don't expect any noticeable muscle gains as it doesn't boost GH enough. Fat loss, improved skin tone, good sleep and some recomp is enough for me. If this can help maintain gains post cycle it would be an option to add to PCT and run a month after. There are many guys who are experienced clued up guys who use and get good results from peptides like a ipamorelin/CJC combo. The thing is you have to use them for a long time to get the benefits.

That said I am also a bit skeptical still, but there are plenty of experienced guys who've done this combo for 6 months or more who were very happy with their results. I've been following the posts of a guy just placed top 6 in this year's NABBA world champs and 5x top 6's at NABBA UK champs who has used pretty much every peptide around and he now has been using ipamorelin/CJC and swears by it. Then you get people who say it doesn't do much for them.

There's also a medical doctor who is a bodybuilder on professionalmuscle who's posts I always watch because I always learn something. He did GH blood tests which show that ipamorelin on its own without a GHRH like CJC is pretty much useless but another test he did shows that 250mcg ipamorelin + 100mcg CJC1295 w/o DAC gives a GH serum blood level of 5.3ng/ml after 2 hours, long after levels peak. If you are doing that 3x a day it will still be a bit cheaper than 2.5iu GH a day and will give you more of a GH boost plus it's your own growth hormone.

I don't think any of us on this forum can reliably comment on the efficacy of this peptide combo yet because nobody has run it long enough.

Muscleaddict's Ipamorelin profile: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...rmones/51-ipamorelin

Good read MA!

@PoinsonedPulse How you finding your ipamorelin/CJC? I ran out out stock but will still post blood test results when I have more.

What's up MA, I actually ran out awhile ago, but waited before getting more, just to see how I felt being off and to notice any difference, and I must say, the peptides are very benficial for sleeping patterns, I was constantly tired when I was off, never got good nights sleep, would alsways over sleep and just didn't feel too grand, shoulder would sometimes hurt training again etc. So I got some more peptides to start again, to basically confirm for myself its effects, I started again last night, can't say I had the best sleep, But provided I drove back from jhb last night and had to be up at 6.30 today, so ill asses tonight, if my sleeping improves again, and general wellbeing comes back to feeling like a champ, ill be staying on the peptides till the new year and run them with a cycle, I'm going to see if I can get some bloods done this week, I actually want to do 3 readings, check normal levels, then one 15-30min post, then again 2 hours post, when I get some money in ill go for them, but that's it from my side.

Ps. Excited about the timing of meals, just ate haha, and going to pin now anyway and see how I feel!

Thanks for info bro!

Cool bro. I'm looking forward to your GH blood test results. Pity that IGF1 levels are so expensive to test but I've found a few blood test results after 3x a day ipamorelin/cjc use showing IGF1 levels in the mid 300s which is what you would expect from doing 3IU of good HGH per day. Not too shabby.

I know what I said earlier but rather draw blood for the first test around 40 minutes post injection. I found a study on adult males that says "ipamorelin showed a single episode of GH release with a peak at 0.67 hours". The study I found before where peak GH levels were at around 15 minutes was done on pigs. I'm surprised there is such a big difference but I reckon 40 minutes would get a higher result to more accurately estimate peak levels.

If you test your normal GH levels before injection the results won't be a reliable indicator of your natural growth hormone production. Normal levels could even test around 0 depending on when you are having a GH pulse. Testing of natural GH levels is done by frequent sampling over a 24-hour period, or docs test your IGF1 to see if you have a GH deficiency.

That's actually very true, didn't even take that into consideration, thanks for saving me some cash hahah going to stop by lancet tomorrow, and see what they have to say. Rather keen to see the results myself.

Feeling good today. Really keen to try this stuff on cycle too.

Like u say, if it's around the 3iu mark of GH , its decent for the price compared to synthetic GH, as well as this won't shut down our natural release..

One thing I have noted, is it kept my bf reasonably low last time, while being off I noticed a small gain of fat, while nothing in my diet or training changed, going to see if it starts lowering again..

With regards to the tests, will they contact me with my results??

Muscleaddict's CJC-1295 profile: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...hormones/52-cjc-1295

Thanks MA.

PoisonedPulse wrote: That's actually very true, didn't even take that into consideration, thanks for saving me some cash hahah going to stop by lancet tomorrow, and see what they have to say. Rather keen to see the results myself.

Feeling good today. Really keen to try this stuff on cycle too.

Like u say, if it's around the 3iu mark of GH , its decent for the price compared to synthetic GH, as well as this won't shut down our natural release..

One thing I have noted, is it kept my bf reasonably low last time, while being off I noticed a small gain of fat, while nothing in my diet or training changed, going to see if it starts lowering again..

With regards to the tests, will they contact me with my results??

The fatloss on ipam/cjc is very noticeable for me. When you going for the test? You should get the results the day after.

I mixed my GHRP-6 with 2 ml of water, how many ui should I inject on a single dose? I've been injecting 8ui x3 a day but I'm not sure if this is to much.

GHRP6 comes in 5mg vials and if you want a 100mcg dose that gives you 50 doses in a vial. If you mix 2ml of water then 2ml divided by 50 gives you 0.04ml=100mcg which is 4iu. So 8iu is 200mcg that you are doing 3x a day. That is only 50% more effective than doing 4iu 3x a day if your GHRP6 is pure. Saturation dose is 1mcg per Kg body weight .

who has herd about hgh fragment 176-191 ? apparently this is taking of in a bigway for fat loss, like 5kg fat loss in 2 weeks .

and follistatin - 344 combined with cjc and ghrp6

Hgh fragment is a waste of money with the other peptides that you could rather do. Fat loss is nowhere near like you heard, all marketing hype. It's basically the fat burning properties of hgh but without any of the anabolic and other benefits of hgh. At an effective dose you could be getting more value out of your money on igf1 or a ghrp/ghrh combo.

Follistatin is incredibly expensive. If you can get it cheap then it's fake.

machine wrote: who has herd about hgh fragment 176-191 ? apparently this is taking of in a bigway for fat loss, like 5kg fat loss in 2 weeks .

That's bullshit marketing right there,I know 2 people that have used it, 1 vial mixed with 2ml of water and they injected 50iu (500mcg) 2x daily,before cardio and half way through the night... They went through 20 vials each(80 days worth) and if they saw 2kgs of fat loss in that time that's a lot.

DJ wrote:

machine wrote: who has herd about hgh fragment 176-191 ? apparently this is taking of in a bigway for fat loss, like 5kg fat loss in 2 weeks .

That's bullshit marketing right there,I know 2 people that have used it, 1 vial mixed with 2ml of water and they injected 50iu (500mcg) 2x daily,before cardio and half way through the night... They went through 20 vials each(80 days worth) and if they saw 2kgs of fat loss in that time that's a lot.

How lean was the guys? Wonder what it will do for some one bigger then normal...

18-19% they weren't aiming for doing loads of cardio,they kept diet the same, training the same and just added the peptide to see what it would do,and there was no great shakes, the 2 guys are just gym rats,not looking to be shredded,not looking to massive just to be active... They are training partners too, there isn't much fat loss from them. If it was so great for fatloss the body fat would peel off at 0.5-1.0kg a week...yes if there is great defecit and cardio and training for fatloss then these fat loss peptides will aid fatloss but when u keep things the same and these "fatloss peptides" were so great then body fat should fall off with out change to diet and training.

Point made, on the end the true fat loss pill are in the diet.

A person can look as food as fuel or something they njoy. Most of the time when you njoy food its all the bad ones and it makes you feel bad, but eating right can make you feel on top of the world.

Muscleaddict wrote:
I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well.

Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?

ibanez wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:
I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well.

Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?

GHRP + CJC I mix in one pin and then use the same pin straight after for the MT2. MT2 is a very stable and durable peptide but not so sure about CJC. I've read arguments going both ways but I'd rather not risk affecting potency. It's seriously not necessary to use a brand new pin for that.

Muscleaddict wrote:

ibanez wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:
I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well.

Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?

...but not so sure about CJC. I've read arguments going both ways but I'd rather not risk affecting potency.

I found a fragility scale. CJC-1295 w/o DAC is more stable than CJC with. It's as a result of the lysine linker.

@ibanez: Should be fine mixing but not more than 8 hours. I'd still it MA style

I've started using 100mcg Ipam with 100mcg CJC no Dac. Pin in the evening, just before going to sleep. Thought it best to start off slow. (My objective: good nights sleep, anti aging)

It's been 10 days and my sleeping quality seems to have improved = better attitude and more energy in the gym.

Also use MT2, once a week and HCG, 2 consecutive days before my weekly test cyp pin. (Self HRT).

(feeling a tad like a pin cushion ..)

@MA, do you back-fill your pins? How do you prevent mixing if drawing straight from the vials?

Current medical research and peptide therapy is really exciting, imho!