GW and CLEN

Hi guys,it's been a while since I posted. Unfortunately these last few months have been a bit rough. Spent 3 weeks in cape town on holiday,got a spider bite that almost made a hole in my forearm.and recently removed steel plates from my forearm and finger.needles to say,I got fat and haven't gymed properly in over 3 months.

Started running and eating right last week,already lost 2.5 kg.

I'd like to try and maintain as much muscle as possible.

Ive wanted to try GW50 for a while now so why not. I currently plan to cycle it like this:

Day 1 to 30
GW50 10mg pd

Day -10 to 30
Clen 120mcg

Ketotifen ed

I've cycled clen a few times before so I know how to taper it and use ketotifen with it, 2 days on 1 day off works for me.

I'd like to know what you guys think about the combo and how I should use the GW.

I'm aiming for 1200 calories

Bud, don't know how your training looks but GW 10mg am & 10mg pm works excellent for me! I am not big on Clen, but I am a huge fan of ECA from ONE, when wanting to shred a few kg's.

Training is 2.5km in the mornings and evenings, and some core training at night after the run.unfortunately can't get to the gym so I'm making do with what I can. So the cycle seems good? Or could I use another fat burner that compliments gw?

Then your training is perfectly suited for 10mg am and 10mg pm, 30min before training. Hyper Burn ECA stack from Optimum Nutrition Evolution is my goto fatburner. I even use it before a high intensity workout for the extra bit of energy. Reminds me of the movie 'Limitless', everything becomes clearer and feels easier with it.

Hey Jono77,

Sorry to hear about the spider bite, that's rough bro. Serious, I hate anything with more than 4 legs.

GW and Clen both are great, but because they work on such different ways I always thought GW is used best when you cycle off Clen. Eg: 2 weeks Clen, 2 weeks GW, 2 weeks Clen, 2 weeks GW, etc.
Reason is to stay sensitive to Clen, even with the Ketotifen you don't hold 100% sensitivity.

Awesome OPTRON!! Thanks for the help,I've used beesting and venom before with less than spectacular results. Is hyper burn much more better compared to the other two?

Furk wrote: Hey Jono77,

Sorry to hear about the spider bite, that's rough bro. Serious, I hate anything with more than 4 legs.

GW and Clen both are great, but because they work on such different ways I always thought GW is used best when you cycle off Clen. Eg: 2 weeks Clen, 2 weeks GW, 2 weeks Clen, 2 weeks GW, etc.
Reason is to stay sensitive to Clen, even with the Ketotifen you don't hold 100% sensitivity.

Hey furk,I've used clen 2 weeks on 2 off but it feels like a 1 step forward 2 back type of thing. I could try it how you suggest I don't mind doing it like that but now I'm stuck between your suggestion and OPTRONS..what if I use eca and Clen and gw?

Haha, in the end I guess it up to you and personal choice. I personally struggle to train at high intensities when using Clen. If you have great result with Clen, maybe stick with it, but I don't think you have to take a two week break between GW. You can continue GW right through en cycle or taper your Clen as you seem necessary.

Goodluck but, either way I think you can achieve amazing results.

I'm curious to try hyper burn,I already have some clen so I think I'm going to carry on with that.

I will probably run a cycle like this in the future and substitute the clen with hyper burn then.

There are a few fat burners I'd like to try,some being reverzine,sibutromine, dnp, FFF, FOF, and just about anything out there. I know it's not a quick fix type of thing but I am trying to gain as much knowledge as possible.obviously won't do it ignorantly but over the years I'd try them.

So once I've got the GW and ketotifen I will begin,until then just gonna get my diet settled and training sorted.

Thanks for the help guys +1

Jono77 wrote: Hey furk,I've used clen 2 weeks on 2 off but it feels like a 1 step forward 2 back type of thing. I could try it how you suggest I don't mind doing it like that but now I'm stuck between your suggestion and OPTRONS..what if I use eca and Clen and gw?

Aye, you can do as you please, just giving my free opinion. I would think ECA + Clen would give you some err... "cardiac complications". Perhaps ECA + GW followed by Clen + Yoh, in cycles of course.

Never used sibutramine, but Phentermine is easily avialable and common.
Tried FFF back with the original formula, heard the new stuff is better.
FOF I think is Clen and Yoh?
Reverzine, never used, but I think it's basically targeted Yoh.

Clen and T 3 is kak, GW is the bomb in comparison. Actually no compare at all.
Clen etc. Fuck your heart whereas Gw is good for you, choose your poison as it always boils down to that.

Tried Subutramine from Ciccone for a month lost 7kgs easier than ever. You get thirsty but for me the more water I drank the more it suppressed my appetite

Thanks furk,I've got some icy plex that I also want to use up,I'd like to throw it in on the cycle but I'm not sure on the dosage per day? It is dosed at
Yoh 5.4mg per ml
Clen 40mg per ml
Also clen tabs 40mcg

@fillet- I enjoy clen and I've used cyt3 and I like the results but yes I know it can seriously fuck you up, I had a heart valve disorder after accidentally overdosing on clen and cyt3 220mcg of clen in one day.it cleared up with time but yes I am very careful.

Try some bulgarian clen, then I had clen, can't even pick up a wine glass at 60 mcg.
FFF yes
Masterson, abs of note
Just my opinion gents, tried and tested, throw some yohimine in the mix and you got it.
Don't kill yourselves, many a bodybuilder has mass cardiac arrest in their 40s

So IMO, test, deca, mast, yohimbine plus ancillaries

Amazing pretty boy cycle

I've never heard of Bulgarian clen I will look into it.

How long would I need to use FFF to get to its peak fat burning potential?

I actually wanted to stay off gear this year and just try and get bf as low as possible, the way I see it is that unless I'm at 10-12% I can't run an effective cut or a bulk because if I bulk I'm gonna lose a % of the gains I made trying to lose weight, so I'm trying to give a good Base to start again. Being bellow 10% isn't a major goal, I like the look and I'm not competing,but I guess I'll see in the future.

Should I do morning cardio fasted or not?

I have never had a such a nasty intense fat burner, this shit makes me wired.
Anyway we chat now, a few meetings and an audit.
Not against clen but can be very lethal and people just play with it

Thanks fillet,I'll see if I can get a hold of some of this clen.

What would help for joint pain and gout? A friend of mine wants to know if I can get anything for it. Would GW or RAD or Ostarine help?

Jono77 wrote: Would GW or RAD or Ostarine help?

I don't think they will help at all.

I didn't think so but had to ask,is there anything that would?

I believe there are a number of medications that will help, but your friend should rather speak to his doctor or pharmacist.

Yeah I told him he should do that, I'll just tell him there isn't anything that will help except from the doc

Jono77 wrote: Thanks furk,I've got some icy plex that I also want to use up,I'd like to throw it in on the cycle but I'm not sure on the dosage per day? It is dosed at
Yoh 5.4mg per ml
Clen 40mg per ml
Also clen tabs 40mcg

Yoh dosage guide is 10mg/ 50kg body mass. Clen you taper obviously so these mixes make it a bit more challenging. But if you have the Icyplex and raw Clen, you can dose properly.
So 2 "doses" of Icy = 10.8mg + Clen 80ug. Then taper the Clen by 1 tab when you get more stable on Clen.

That said, I hardly get bad sides from Yoh, so I would be comfortable with with 3 doses of Icy/day. But I've heard of guys that seem a lot tougher getting hit hard my Yoh. Your call mate.

Okay cool,that's sounds pretty good. From what I hear the spot fat reductions of icyplex is just a myth,so could I drink it or is it better to inject?

Jono77 wrote: Okay cool,that's sounds pretty good. From what I hear the spot fat reductions of icyplex is just a myth,so could I drink it or is it better to inject?

Its bullshit. Drink or inject, doesn't make a difference

Lol thanks oups, getting my juice ducks in a row so long..looking forward to trying gw