Personal Top 3 Bodybuilders and why.

Deadgoat wrote: Strong hypocrisy in this thread, everyone wants to suck Alexei Lesukov's dick but criticise this 17 year old kid who COULD be juicing forgetting that Alexei probably started juicing at an even younger age. The Joker frowns upon your shenanigans

Alexey could have been great. He has great genetics but started juicing way too early now look how tall he is. He has to wear high heels when he goes out with a girl. He messed up. Like I said, dakota looks brilliant for his age, but he is messing up. His father was a douche, he should have waited then in my opinion... Could have been even better then.

jakes wrote:

Theodoric wrote: My beard was like that by the time I was his age...

All the other factors considered, definitely on the juice. Though this does not shock me, at school I saw many juicers.When I was in school, our 1st team wing used to be skinny, and I mean really skinny when he was still playing for the younger age groups (u/14, 15, 16 A). Fast, but skinny. Then when he didn't make 1st XV (reason being he was too small), started going to the gym and be fore we knew it he was bigger than a lot of the forwards we know. What was most obvious that he was using was his face, going from a really skinny face to that really bloated look. Our biokineticist at the gym even started calling him and our No.8 "Diana" and "Deca"

Let's not get carried away with ourselves now, at 17 (he turned 17 a few days ago) I don't believe one of us had facial hair like that bud. Unless you started shaving in primary school lol. That kid doesn't look his age. But I must also say, it isn't that impressive. Don't get me wrong he looks brilliant for his age, but a kid who gymed hard until he was 18 and say achieved 90kg with 15% bodyfat will look just as good if not better if he did two proper cycles at 19... Can't believe that kids parents allow it, when I started juicing I only told my mom, my pa sou 'n aap kak as hy moes geweet het.

I've actually been shaving a lot since then. Went to England for 6 months again when I was 16, grew myself a nice vicious beard (though it looks stupid now that I look back haha). A couple of guys that were at school with me also had really hard beards by then, but were doing anything but juicing! But apart from the beard I agree, all the other signs blatantly point to steroids.

Looks like you guys are hairy bastards :lol: lol

Fair enough guys but don't forget that these guys wanna be Pros so they need the headstart. If Louis Bessinger only started juicing at 21/22 we wouldn't know who he is and look where he is right now, looks set to be one of the biggest names in the SA BBing scene.

Yeah the parenting might be a bit questionable but whose to say they don't know what they are doing? They should be commended for helping their kid reach their dream instead of the usual "go to school so you can go to varsity so you can work a 9-5 so you can pay for your kids to do the same". Lewis Hamiltons parents broke the bank for him when he was a kid when most parents would've been like "lol how about no?", and look where he is now? Youngest ever champion (at the time)

Deadgoat wrote: Fair enough guys but don't forget that these guys wanna be Pros so they need the headstart. If Louis Bessinger only started juicing at 21/22 we wouldn't know who he is and look where he is right now, looks set to be one of the biggest names in the SA BBing scene.

Yeah the parenting might be a bit questionable but whose to say they don't know what they are doing? They should be commended for helping their kid reach their dream instead of the usual "go to school so you can go to varsity so you can work a 9-5 so you can pay for your kids to do the same". Lewis Hamiltons parents broke the bank for him when he was a kid when most parents would've been like "lol how about no?", and look where he is now? Youngest ever champion (at the time)

Don't get me wrong, louis bessinger is a nice guy. But he abuses steroids... Sorry but its true, I personally know of a few cycles he ran, and they aren't stories. Just the advice he gives regarding steroids also. If his cycle history was posted on this site all you guys would shit on him. He looks fantastic, but is it worth it? Hmmmn

I won't give my kid gear before 19. Preferably 21. And then its his choice, before that ill moer the little clown if he tries it regardless if he wants to turn pro or not.

You mind elaborating on some of his cycles? Wonder how old he was when he started pinning, wish he was on this forum to share some of his experience.

I'd also probably only allow my son to juice around 20 if he wents to go that route anyway, I'd be devastated if he didn't even wanna look at a barbell

amen jakes..

also look at this.. Compare where Alexey was at the same age.. Couldn't find fair pics tbh but Alexey blatantly takes it, if you are there at that age? Then yes you may possibly ever so slightly be able to justify the damage to your body with the pros of your career launching so early.. But if you look at Dakota, well is his progress worth what he is doing to his body at this age?

You should have seen him at 18. He was skinny.. Around 75kg, maybe 39cm arms, 55-60cm legs and ok calves. Mabye there are some pics that are on his facebook page. Anyway started at 19 his first cycle was 500mg deca with 500mg sust. I know this for a fact. So ya.. First cycle and he already ran dec. I'm 21 (almost 22) and I haven't even used it yet

Lol my kid has to gym, at 6 ill buy him a pair dumbells lol

Dakota needs to work on his legs a bit it seems to me...

Always wanted to meet Bessinger.. He is probably my favourite SA athlete..

Some of these big guys are idiots though.. I know guys down here who are huge, granted, but they know bugger all.. Putting guys on 10mg dbol for the whole cycle to increase appetite ?!?!? running EQ for 5-6 weeks, starting PCT right after cycle, clomid only, adding tren in a first cycle.. Dbol for 8 weeks.. stopping and starting compounds that haven't even kicked in.. And these are guys running preps for not only themselves but bbers down here. Fact btw. Its astounding.

@chapel, look he looks good but we can't say that this is okay. We don't know everything about steroids yet. We don't know if it will affect his hight aswell as the mental side effects. It would be irresponsible for us to say this is okay because then we are basically telling kids "hey if you want to be a pro, juice at 15, its okay". Where do we draw the line? So if my kid is good at rugby or athletics its okay for him to juice at 16 because it might let him be a professional rugby player?

I say everything in due time, kids should enjoy their kid life in my opinion. That kid is playing with his life...

I don't think his progress is worth it, health is more important. Think about what 00pump said. He also started at 16 and look where it got him

CHAPEL wrote: Always wanted to meet Bessinger.. He is probably my favourite SA athlete..

Some of these big guys are idiots though.. I know guys down here who are huge, granted, but they know bugger all.. Putting guys on 10mg dbol for the whole cycle to increase appetite ?!?!? running EQ for 5-6 weeks, starting PCT right after cycle, clomid only, adding tren in a first cycle.. Dbol for 8 weeks.. stopping and starting compounds that haven't even kicked in.. And these are guys running preps for not only themselves but bbers down here. Fact btw. Its astounding.

Exactly. The pro's abuse drugs heavily. If I didn't give a shit I'd do a year long cycle. Start with 1.5g test, 700mg equi, 700mg deca and frontload with 150mg naps ed, run that 12weeks and up the dosages. Running that with 10 or 15iu gh ed.

You'll get crazy size, but it just isn't worth it. Think about the future.

CHAPEL wrote: amen jakes..

also look at this.. Compare where Alexey was at the same age.. Couldn't find fair pics tbh but Alexey blatantly takes it, if you are there at that age? Then yes you may possibly ever so slightly be able to justify the damage to your body with the pros of your career launching so early.. But if you look at Dakota, well is his progress worth what he is doing to his body at this age?

I agree with you 100% jakes, Personally I think anything before 20 is wrong. Just to reiterate, look at the bold. I mean it only in context to those who have already done it, such as Alexey and Dakota. And in no way mean it is alright for young kids to do in their context.

With regards to the abuse, some of these guys don't even see it as that. On countless occasions I have spewed out safer cycles only to be told I am doing it all wrong. These guys see their cycles as normal as it is all they know.

Anyone seen this young Russian? Andrej Skoromny, 22yrs.

If 00pump knew what he knows now at 16 I doubt he'd have the problems he has now, but if someone knows what they are doing and understands the risks then I see no problem at all with starting young if they want to make a living from the sport.

@chapel yeah unfortunately there's a lot of big guys who are either very malicious or very stupid giving out advise and they are the ones who give gear a bad name

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