GregB1 cycle log.

IMO if u know what u are doing and know what sides to expect and what to do about it...then I dont see a problem with Deca as a second cycle.
Im running as a 3rd cycle... 8 week cycle in week 5 and the strength is unreal ..picked up 6/7 kgs
bit of skin erratation but nothing serious.
some might disagree though.

8 week Deca cycle or 8 week NPP cycle?

Deca...I know it is short but long enough to see gains and minimise sides 10 weeks test

Did you use and oral frontload or Sustanon?

Dbol at 40mg for 4 weeks dropped a kg after dbol but picking up again.. but I suppose still some water retention but not much

There's your answer. Normally you would gain about 6kgs in the first four weeks from D-Bol but only about 2kgs of that is muscle, the rest water. The strength increases and all the other effects you are experiencing are just from the D-Bol. If you are using Test-E or Test-Cyp then the test should only start kicking in properly round about now. To put it into perspective the half life of Test-E is about 8 days and that normally takes 5-7 weeks to fully kick in. Deca on the other hand has a half life of 15 days (almost double that of Test-E) so you will only get the real benefits from Deca about 9 weeks in. This is why we always recommend running Deca for atleast 14 weeks due to the long ester. If you are only gonna run the Deca for 8 weeks you are only really feeding the mind.

GregB1 wrote: Hey guys im already looking at a cycle i would like to do next year just to bulk up, i am on a budget so want a cheaper cycle. I was thinking about a test e and decca cycle for 14 weeks or even a npp and test prop 8-10 week cycle both with PCT3, but im open to any suggestions.

Are you happy with the gains you made on your test cycle? If not why so? Too little gains? If so do you think its steroid related? Diet related? Training related? If you where happy with the gains why change if you can milk a cheap cycle with minimal stress on the body? Some things to ponder about.

I think people jump on harsher compounds because they thought they where going to explode in size from that first cycle. Im not saying this is the case here im just making a general observation. At the end of the day we all want to be well built, but at what expense? After deca, where to then? Tren? One shortens the options on available cycles if you skip ahead.

Anyway sure alot wont agree with this, just putting it out there.

ok Pyro maybe I will consider running longer another 5 weeks with testen 300 thanks

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

GregB1 wrote: Hey guys im already looking at a cycle i would like to do next year just to bulk up, i am on a budget so want a cheaper cycle. I was thinking about a test e and decca cycle for 14 weeks or even a npp and test prop 8-10 week cycle both with PCT3, but im open to any suggestions.

Are you happy with the gains you made on your test cycle? If not why so? Too little gains? If so do you think its steroid related? Diet related? Training related? If you where happy with the gains why change if you can milk a cheap cycle with minimal stress on the body? Some things to ponder about.

I think people jump on harsher compounds because they thought they where going to explode in size from that first cycle. Im not saying this is the case here im just making a general observation. At the end of the day we all want to be well built, but at what expense? After deca, where to then? Tren? One shortens the options on available cycles if you skip ahead.

Anyway sure alot wont agree with this, just putting it out there.

Agree 110%. I think it depends a lot on what your ultimate goal is, and also how many kg's you need to gain. If your goal is to become the hulk then exactly like you say Prog you need to plan your cycles carefully and and try to milk everything from the compound before moving on to the next step. However if it is your second cycle and you only need to gain another say 10kg's to reach your ultimate goal, then using Nandrolone is not 100% necessary and you could do it with just test/dbol but the Nandrolome will ensure that you will reach your goal, especially with the unpredictable ship of life threatening to keep you from getting there. If you only plan on running two/three cycles in your lifetime then i say use all the tools you have at your disposal. Tren is another story though and I agree fully with KOE that nobody should ever use it unless they are competing.

@Mike: Not trying to flame you bro just adding some insight that might help. At the end of the day we are all here to learn from others.

Thanks pyro and prog. So my goals for my second cycle will be to keep around 6kg of muscle after pct. I am very happy with my first cycle results so far and im only 9 weeks in and have 5 weeks of test then a winny bridge left. My diet has been spot on 90% of the time thanks to dj and some motivation . I think i can get to my goal with a test E or super test cycle and wont need to use decca, i will be using DJ again so diet and training will be spot on. Thanks for all the advice and i am sure i will be doing a supertest cycle as my second cycle with a winny bridge again. One question though could i pin every 3rd day with supertest or would i need to pin EOD?

mike123 wrote: ok Pyro maybe I will consider running longer another 5 weeks with testen 300 thanks

Good idea Mike , good luck

Why not let DJ suggest a cycle for you? He just suggested a cracker of a second cycle for me will post it up soon if he allows.

I think we should buy DJ a moerse xmass pressie

Pyroclasm wrote: Why not let DJ suggest a cycle for you? He just suggested a cracker of a second cycle for me will post it up soon if he allows.

F@#k, didn't even think of that, thanks bud. I will mail him and see what he thinks +1 for that.

GregB1 wrote: One question though could i pin every 3rd day with supertest or would i need to pin EOD?

You can pin it 3 times a week or every other day, i asked the same question but i think i remember ma had some graphs showing that there is not much difference between those protocols. (If memory serves me)

I will most probably be pinning it mon, wed, fri

or wait til april and see what i look like after test prop and NPP. ill be the guinea pig

Me too! Lol

ha ha what happened to one cycle huh? you are going to look like a grizzly !

About that! Hahaha :lol: Turns out Thor isn't that easy to copy.

ha ha get big or shut up !

F.I.F.O- Fit in or fuck off!

Hi guys ok so i had my last shot of cyp last night and statrted my winny bridge, the last 3 weeks i have been out the gym due to bronchitis and also a spider bite that i got on my right hamstring, my whole hamstring was blue and swollen and now the swelling is completely down but it is still black and blue. The bite has made cardio and legg training impossible so i gained 3kg over the 3 weeks( ) training has started again this week as well as my cardio and im already 1kg down from the 3 i gained . will post pics after my bridge in about a month.


ADD: sorry that i never got to train with PP this holidays while i was in toti but i got the spider bite the second day at toti, walking was a struggle let alone gymming, i could not even swim in the sea or nothing so the holiday was not much of a holiday .