First Cycle on Dbol and Test Cyp

Lee2011 wrote: I understand that 250 is a little this is my first time pining so I would like to see what the test do for me everybody not the same if all goes weel on my first cycle.Then my second cycle will be 500mcg test cyp,60 mg dbol+proviron@40mg-ED with anv/winny@40mg-ED bridge with proper pct{clomid/nova/hcg}.And mike 123 I have gained 2kgs in two weeks still a long way to go but guess that is just the water weight from the dbol test still need to kick in so excited trying to keep my diet clean still need to revise that with dj.Everything so far so good.

All due respect to the old guy, but 250mg is not an anabolic dose it's a dose where you are just trying trying to keep your test levels up. I.m.o you are pissing away your golden cycle! 250mg Test on its own ain't gonna do jack shit!!

Pyroclasm wrote:
All due respect to the old guy, but 250mg is not an anabolic dose it's a dose where you are just trying trying to keep your test levels up. I.m.o you are pissing away your golden cycle! 250mg Test on its own ain't gonna do jack shit!!

Thx for the acknowledgement and touche with regards to respect...

but

How did you get to that statement of - 250mg is not an anabolic dose... ? and that 250mg only keeps test levels up ?

...he has 18% body fat....... he will eventually just become a fatter version of himself on a relatively high first cycle dose of test. He is only 26, plenty time left to MOER it !

Agree with what PP is telling u but it is still early days lets see at week 4...I normally
pick up a kg a week till week 7 and then stay around there till week 10 but then I dont up calories too much because I pick up fat/water too easly...

I normally as said above pick up about 7 kg wether on Cyp at 500mg or and last cycle test E at 600mg plus Deca at 525mg so it will be interesting to see what he gets at 250mg. If I am going to get 6 kg on 250mg then what is the point of overloading with all kinds of chemical ...just something I have been thinking about ...might be total sh*t ...but lets see brothers..

We should actually start a topic to discuss this in detail, and not make this poor fella stress his fcking nuts off because of our diff of opinions.

He is using the guideline provided for download on this very website, the Beginners Bulk. He is trying to do it by the book, (GIVE THIS DUDE A BELL's for not fcking up on buddy bullshit cycles)

Reference in (William Llewellyn's Anabolics 10th pg 212-216) he is doing perfect with the dose of test.....

Good read oupa I have a pdf copy we will see the results very soon so let us be patient.Just some advice to boost the affects heard good things about proviron going to do 40mg ED after my dbol load is over through the rest of my cycle and then start bridging with winny 30-40mg ED after last pin of test up to pct to get that amazing results what dou guys think I estimate a 10 kg gain on my first cycle...100kgs here I come.

@ Lee

I Don't want to bust your bubble, but you will have that look only after a few cycles. Yes your current cycle will give you impressive results if your diet is on track, but dont expect to look like a super hero after cycle 1.

Take your time, do it properly and be your own Michelangelo

Oupa wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
All due respect to the old guy, but 250mg is not an anabolic dose it's a dose where you are just trying trying to keep your test levels up. I.m.o you are pissing away your golden cycle! 250mg Test on its own ain't gonna do jack shit!!

Thx for the acknowledgement and touche with regards to respect...

but

How did you get to that statement of - 250mg is not an anabolic dose... ? and that 250mg only keeps test levels up ?

...he has 18% body fat....... he will eventually just become a fatter version of himself on a relatively high first cycle dose of test. He is only 26, plenty time left to MOER it !

We have had a similar thread a couple of times now and the mods commented that it's a waste and that makes sense to me.

Pyroclasm wrote:
We have had a similar thread a couple of times now and the mods commented that it's a waste and that makes sense to me.

Difference of opinions, i have the utmost respect for the mods and you included, but i stand by opp, that's why we are all unique individuals

No problem ou Ratkas! :lol: :lol: :lol:

In the old days lower doses was how it was done as far as i know, people use to "blast and cruise". 250 might be enough to see gains but i believe a bit higher dose will have more of an effect. But then again this is his first cycle so his receptors are fresh. Interested to see how this goes.

Pyroclasm wrote: No problem ou Ratkas! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Ohk got my proviron should I start using it on my cycle while on test to lower my water retention and to improve on keeping my gains after my dbol front loading is finished up until the end of my cycle.Or should I wait on my pct any thoughts 30-40mg daily.

" Proviron is definitely a drug that can be used in any stack and even beginners can add it to their cycles to aid results without increasing the dosage of other steroids."

:whistle:
I copy/paste the last few lines from the drug profile on this forum just need some input.

How much did you get? I would use it when you bridge before PCT @ 50mg daily but that is just my opinion.

I got 50 caps was thinking about doing atleast 20mg ED while on my cycle.When I get good results from it then I would get more and continue my dose up until my last pin. Then up my dose to 40-50mg on my bridge before pct.

If you want to purchase more then its fine since it boost the effect of testosterone, dosage is fine to. Men can use up to 100mg

Lee2011 wrote: I got 50 caps was thinking about doing atleast 20mg ED while on my cycle.When I get good results from it then I would get more and continue my dose up until my last pin. Then up my dose to 40-50mg on my bridge before pct.

Sounds good, If you've got the cash you can run it at 50-100mg ED on cycle all the way through your bridge, its a very mild drug so higher doses are still easily tolerable but it can get expensive..

I don't see the benefit of using more than 40mg - 60mg Proviron, yes you can go up to 100mg, but why ?

250mg of test cyp will still give some gains of course but you will be disappointed if you are expecting to gain 6KG of muscle from this cycle. That is just not going to happen no matter what your diet is like. Half or more of your gains will be water.

There have been quite a few studies done on the pharmacodynamics of various doses of testosterone and the results clearly show that even when doing a low dose you should split your shots into twice weekly injections. This will reduce your chances of getting acne by MORE than half than when doing once a week shots.

You're set on 250mg but like everyone is saying, it is really unnecessarily low. 500mg for around 10 weeks does not put any significant strain on your liver, prostrate or lipids as studies have shown. For my first cycle I used 400mg/week of pharma grade test cyp and I wish I had used more.

Great point muscleaddict much respect thank you, but I have done alot of research and I agree to disagree.Your body produce 10mg of test naturally daily so that is 70mg weekly(140mg bi-weekly).So test cyp 250mg per week seems more then enough to get reasonable gains for first time users with the added proviron and winstrol/anavar on the bridge with a decent pct.I believe atleast 4-6kgs is possible,but yet again we all are different with different genetics.My next cycle will be 500mg(weekly)test cyp and 60 mg dbol ED.Thanks for the feedback I am still on the learning end of this so much respect to the hands on experience you have.

250 = reasonable gains
500 = awesome gains

I recomend you listen to Ma, I can almost guarantee that you will be disappointed, think about it you are willing to suppress you naturall test production just to MAYBE gain 4-6kgs in about 3 months and then you need to recover so don't expect any gaining naturally for another month or 2. So you will end up 4-6kgs heavier after 4-5 months... You could've gained half of that naturally without suppressing your naturall production. Make that first cycle count boet. My 3cents

kkx250 wrote: 250 = reasonable gains
500 = awesome gains

have any of you looked at what dorian yates said when he told media he was on steroids. he said when he starded takins gear he used as little as possible. he states that when he was on his peak he was only taking 1000mg test and 500mg deca per week. this was when he won olympia. so maybe we are just overdoing it a bit.

Yes I have seen the interview with Dorian. He never really states that's what 'he' was taking, if I rememebr correctly, but he does imply that people take dosages far above what they should and that 1000mg test and 500mg deca is more than sufficient. But then again Dorian is known for high dosages in bodybuilding, so who do you believe.