First Cycle on Dbol and Test Cyp

You cant always believe what you hear gab, you never know if he was Just saying that to look responsible, not look like a junkie and to set a good example. He was a mr Olympia so his genetics would of played a big role in his gains from his low dose cycles if he is telling the truth That's my opinion.

manery wrote: You cant always believe what you hear gab, you never know if he was Just saying that to look responsible, not look like a junkie and to set a good example. He was a mr Olympia so his genetics would of played a big role in his gains from his low dose cycles if he is telling the truth That's my opinion.

maybe he was trying to play it safe. he he. :silly:

I got this legalon70 liver support tabs any toughts?

PRODUCT NAME: Legalon 70
Generic name: Silymarin
Other names: Extract of milk thistle fruit
SUBSTANCE: 70mg Thistle Milk Fruit Extract
Contents: 100 x 70mg Capsules
Manufacturer: Madaus , Germany

manery wrote: I recomend you listen to Ma, I can almost guarantee that you will be disappointed, think about it you are willing to suppress you naturall test production just to MAYBE gain 4-6kgs in about 3 months and then you need to recover so don't expect any gaining naturally for another month or 2. So you will end up 4-6kgs heavier after 4-5 months... You could've gained half of that naturally without suppressing your naturall production. Make that first cycle count boet. My 3cents

So do you suggest I should increase my dose to 500mg manery on my next pin?

Lee2011 wrote: I got this legalon70 liver support tabs any toughts?

PRODUCT NAME: Legalon 70
Generic name: Silymarin
Other names: Extract of milk thistle fruit
SUBSTANCE: 70mg Thistle Milk Fruit Extract
Contents: 100 x 70mg Capsules
Manufacturer: Madaus , Germany

That came from another steroid website

Research Solal's Milk Thistle mg to mg comparison.

Here you go

www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act...wProd&productId=5214

Yes bud!

Lol oupa yes maybe but I already bought some don't know how to add pictures

home.intekom.com/pharm/byk/legalon.html

There is a link for what I got.The ones you prescribe looks good aswell oupa.

manery wrote: Yes bud!

Ohk manery my next pin would be 500mg weekly

Lee2011 wrote: Lol oupa yes maybe but I already bought some don't know how to add pictures

The product will work fine, relax lol

AND

Read this

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...ictures-on-the-forum

:whistle: thanks oups

Manery suggested I should increase my Test dosage to 500mg what do you think?

500mg is a good idea, its a realatively light cycle anyway... I would not risk shutdown for 250mg. Pin 250mg x2 per week (Sunday and Thursday example) :evil:

Lee2011 wrote: Great point muscleaddict much respect thank you, but I have done alot of research and I agree to disagree.Your body produce 10mg of test naturally daily so that is 70mg weekly(140mg bi-weekly).So test cyp 250mg per week seems more then enough to get reasonable gains for first time users with the added proviron and winstrol/anavar on the bridge with a decent pct.I believe atleast 4-6kgs is possible,but yet again we all are different with different genetics.My next cycle will be 500mg(weekly)test cyp and 60 mg dbol ED.Thanks for the feedback I am still on the learning end of this so much respect to the hands on experience you have.

I meant to say twice weekly, not biweekly. Stick with that as it's been proven to minimise side effects EVEN at 250mg a week.

Yes, a healthy guy makes around 70mg of testosterone on a good week, but when injecting 250mg of test cyp you must realise that 40mg of that is ester weight, leaving 210mg of testosterone and then you need to take into account the reduced bioavailability of IM injections which are also affected by injection location leaving you between about 50%-75% bioavailability before you have to deal with other factors in the body. A 250mg injection will not even double serum testosterone levels in most average young guys with say a normal 650ng/dl test level.

Lee2011 wrote: :whistle: thanks oups

Manery suggested I should increase my Test dosage to 500mg what do you think?

I think its more people than Manery that suggested 500mg. Boet there is so many factors to consider... I base my (personal) dosages on blood results.

I have my opinion, but... i have also followed MA's advice for a long time, and never once had issues. I have full confidence whats being said when MA steps in. - Not sucking up, the MODS know wtf they doing, and you will learn the crowd as you go along

Just remember, no one knows you in person, so we are merely providing information and guidelines.

When i have a difference of opinion, i will respect the other user but raise mine (on fair grounds)

Some guys like to moer it, some dont. Each to their own. Some guys bodies can handle it, others cant.

Keep Things in Moderation

Oupa wrote: Some guys like to moer it, some dont. Each to their own. Some guys bodies can handle it, others cant.

Keep Things in Moderation

Not trying to be cheeky but I wouldn't say 500mg test a week is "moering it". There are guys who use deca, test and all types of shit on their first cycle, they are moering it. haha 500mg Test cyp is the standard dose for a first cycle round here, I just didnt want this dude to think he is overdoing it or "moering" it by doing 500mg of Test weekly . I Respect your opinion Oupa, Im not trying to challenge you

Hehe, understood bud and thank you for the respect shown.

I agree 100% - 500mg cyp is far from *moering* it, and even further away from overdosing. I just feel that the younger guys shouldn't try to build rome in one day. (not that Lee is trying to) (people in general)

I have heard stories that in the days gone past, once apon a time long long ago, the top competing strong men at westside barbell took 300-350mg testosterone weekly... and that was considered the maximum.

Dont know how true that is.

Did you hear that when you go to Heaven, Testosterone grows on trees ?

Not to sure about the truth to this one either... ?

I wanna thank all you guys manery,oups,MA and everyone else for the priceless info sunday's pin will be 500mg and adding to that 40mg proviron ED.

Why is my karma -1 lol

Because karma gremlins are real.......

Why you crying? ... Easiest way to loose karma on this site, is to complain about it,

lol ohk I will not ask questions any more about karma since I dont like gremlins chapel so I guess it is what it is whatever it is