SARMS (SELECTIVE ANDROGEN RECEPTOR MODULATORS)

Hey guys. Yeah got a mate who is using sarms s4 at the moment. He doesnt use juice so its a good test to see what can be expected. At 50 mg per day he didnt get any sides at all but after upping dose to 100mg a day, after 3 days he says flourescent ligts have a green tinge to it, well basically any white light looks green to him - LOL so yeah the vision thing is true ...so far he says no increase in power but he says his pumps are a bit more since using it but still early to judge. Once he finishes the course will update. Wont ever replace juice i think and prob not cost effective to use as a bridge when off cycle.

I used 100mg a day for my pct while coming off a cycle, although I didn't gain any new muscle mass, I lost practically none of my gains from my cycle. To be on the safe side I did run some clomid after the sarms. Its no ways as potent as test, but from my results i got using it with my pct, I will definitely use it again.

The vision issue did begin to freak me out a little bit, but that passes after about a week, and my vision as 100% back to

Bloodwork?

I dont have any bloodwork... sorry

Okay so i am pretty much blind at night now - cant walk around my flat without the lights on... been doing about 100 per day. Car lights all look completely yellow no matter how bright they are.

On the up side i feel like i am kinda like on test but without any of the bulk. I think purely because i dont feel the test sides it feels a bit different - best way to describe it is like test without water retention - very dry.

Strength wise i think i have about 90% without the puffiness.Girlfriend prefers the leaner less puffy look - very ripped.

I havent taken for 2 days now because the eyesight sides really freaked me out. Want them to go down a little before i take again.

It seems though that the eyesight sides are proportional to the gains. The worse the eyesight gets the more you feel its working.

Will keep you guys posted.

Thanks for sharing...

S4 arrived will collect soon. Bloodwork done pre-course, will do some more at the start of PCT and again at the end. Currently expecting to start PCT at the start of May. Planning to stick to a 2 or 4 times a day divided dose on only 50mg. Think we are being greedy (though I understand why ) trying to use large doses.

Okay so i stopped taking S4 last Wednesday the vision issues were starting to get hectic.

Woke up a couple of times at night and thought i was fucking blind - eyes cant adjust.

Saturday i was pretty freaked out 3 days later and no change, but today it seems like it is in fact getting better.

Will keep you guys posted, but i think its getting better.

jack wrote:

Okay so i stopped taking S4 last Wednesday the vision issues were starting to get hectic.

Woke up a couple of times at night and thought i was fucking blind - eyes cant adjust.

Saturday i was pretty freaked out 3 days later and no change, but today it seems like it is in fact getting better.

Will keep you guys posted, but i think its getting better.

How are the eyes now?

Eyes improved back to 100% after about 1 week, it happens rapidly almost over night. It went from being terrible to suddenly over one night better.

Although the substance has a short half life i think the effects just as on the eyes have a good effect on the muscles for extended period. Essentially when your eyes get better there are is no enhanced muscle growth feeling.

It seems almost proportional to the vision issue. The worse the vision gets the more pumps you get - or something like that.

jack wrote:

Eyes improved back to 100% after about 1 week, it happens rapidly almost over night. It went from being terrible to suddenly over one night better.

Although the substance has a short half life i think the effects just as on the eyes have a good effect on the muscles for extended period. Essentially when your eyes get better there are is no enhanced muscle growth feeling.

It seems almost proportional to the vision issue. The worse the vision gets the more pumps you get - or something like that.

Thanks for the feedback.

Ok... well into recovery mode. HCG to end next week. Running one tablet of S4 every day just before bed. Looking at blood tests - but feeling a little confused about what would actually be useful. Testing LH and FSH is pointless as Ovidrel is currently in the system. Test might be useful as the roids are long gone now... so currently thinking of a simple total test, free test and SHBG run.

Thoughts?

Ok... waited till post PCT (last tablets of Kessar taken on Sunday night). Did a blood test on Monday morning with results as follows:

Test: 26 nmol/L
Free test: 1.00 n/mol
SHBG: 9.04 n/mol
FSH: 6.4
LH: 7.2

Course ended at the start of May. Daily dose of S4 taken from then before bed time at 50mg only. Definitely saw strength increases (though obviously not massive at the low dosage) on a week by week basis despite being in PCT (there was an initial drop off of strength while the tablets started to work). Body fat ratio did skew though with my scales telling me I had dropped several kilos of muscle mass. Weight stayed the same (and yes I have put on fat round the middle).

Even at 50mg the yellow vision and night blindness were startling (and irritating). The blindness (I stress - BLINDNESS) in the dark takes the form of a band across the centre of your vision which (if I remember my optics reading) suggests that it is affecting the cones in your eyes (pure guess work by me - perhaps someone wants to shoot down my theory???).

Vision out the corner of your eyes still seemed fine where the rods are in control. Whatever the S4 does to your vision it (in my opinion) seems to be affecting your cones (I realise cones are supposed to be for colour vision and therefore have less to do with night vision - but I think that whatever the S4 does it somehow affects how your eyes pick up light/colour and in low light conditions it just blanks out the area).

To sum up - will continue using the S4. Will throw in another blood test later to see how natural recovery is progressing. So far doesnt look to bad as a bridge (provided you can live with the sides).

any updates? any others used SARMS?
Just been surfing numerous international forums and theres very mixed opinions on whether it does shut you down or not and no one has reported ANY gains from this,so is it basically just an option for bridging and retaining muscle mass post cycle?

It does supress and you do require a PCT. Ill purchase some so I give feedback as to how well it works. I do not see it as a product to bridge between cycles, maybe at a very low dose, however you could use other oral anabolics at very low doses for the bridge. I will only be able to do tests in 3 to 4 months and ill do bloods before, half way through and at the end, ill also keep a training journal and stats log. Would be great if someone else could too, then we can compare the results

Thanks 00pump for clarifying that...so i guess the following bridge as recommended by doctari will be effective without the SARMS;so it will just be the var,vit C and vit E...
1) Anavar at 5 mg twice per day
"2) Ostarine, the new SARM-4 at 1mg/kg/24h and continue with this compound until you commence your next cycle."
3) 3grams of Vit C per day
4) 1000IU's of Vit E per day.

The log will be very very interesting coming from someone with all the experience you do have,so that will be great
I wouldnt mind joining in but will have to see about that when the time comes...Im just set on reaching my goal of 90KG's with single digit body fat so im considering some options at the moment as my PCT starts in 2 weeks(only an 8 weeker so bridging for 8 weeks and then another similar cycle wouldnt be "that long".)
I will be doing a full pct after current cycle

Just note that you don't get Ostarine in SA yet.

admin is there a big difference in the product? Or is it the same thing?

just a sidenote i picked up on the net, but admin should know better
"Ostarine (SARM S1) Will Yield More Size But Little Strength Compared To S4 "

LP will start testing Ostarine soon... LP Andarine will be replaced with Ostarine in the near future.

We will finally, hopefully have Ostarine availible on the S.A. market.

ok so heres the story
im 22
75kgs
been training for 4 years
never done a steroid cycle before and debating whether i should try the sarms first or just go for my first coarse of test cyp.im interested in trying the sarms cause guys say if youve never done anabolics it might work well.over the past year iv been concentrating on getting my strength up and diet in check before i start any cycle so at the moment im lifting heavy weights with good form,my strength is up and im growing nicely.also i can only get the LP Andarine at the moment and dont know if i should wait for the ostarine to come..and also if i do,do the sarms what blood tests do u guys want to see cause i see a few guys are interested in seeing those stats..
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