Everything you need to know about Clenbuterol

Pyroclasm wrote: Two Betasleep daily

Thanks!

Please can I ask you to weigh in here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...n-for-specific-goals

I know you're the authority on clen

Hi Pyro

Thanks for the post.

On a low calorie deficit diet/fasting diet which inevitably slows metabolism, what can one do to keep normal metabolism in check. (other than the T3 route as there is no AAS being used)

I think I recall reading a post where you mentioned something about this when giving someone else advice, been searching for days and days to find it to no avail.

Welcome to the forum! Yes that's true your body will adjust all the time to whatever happens to it. That is why I always tell people to keep off of Clen + Yoh until their body has adjusted to any diet and training responses.

When I googled Betasleep some herbal sleep aid stuff came up as a sleep aid. We're talking Diphenhydramine here, right?

Yes

Pyroclasm wrote: Yes

Tx!

Hi guys, I changed my lifestyle drasticly about 2 months ago and lost almost 15kg. I've adapted to my new diet and exercise routine.

During the week I do 45 minutes of cardio consisting of 15 minutes cycling, 15 minutes rowing and 15 minutes tredmill, Saturdays I normally do a bit of weight training.

A friend suggested that I take Clen to assist and I've been on it for a week now but haven't lost any weight. I must mention that I started on a low dose of 20mcg and steadily increased the dosage. I did research Clen before I started it and did read this thread.

Am I doing anything wrong, or is this a commen occurance? I would appreciate any advise.

You are still at the beginning of your weight loss journey so Clen is not for you. Clen should be used when your diet and training is spot on and you need the next step. Open another thread and post your diet for the lads to crit. If you "don't really have a diet I just eat healthily" then that right there is the problem.

Some feedback. Been on 40ug Clen and 20mg Yoh for nearly 2 week with amazing results. Have not done a bodyfat % measure yet but my pants are falling off and veins are beginning to show everywhere.

Happy camper.

Pyro and others,

Been using Betasleep for a while now with Clen.

Do you guys have any links to any literature showing it's effectiveness in upregulating Beta-2 receptors? Read a few forums where it was heavily debated and the general consensus was it does not. Or not very well. Thoughts?

Secondly, I picked up on some older posts here that other OTCs contain Ketotifen but it seems they've been discontinued?

Klos wrote: Pyro and others,

Been using Betasleep for a while now with Clen.

Do you guys have any links to any literature showing it's effectiveness in upregulating Beta-2 receptors? Read a few forums where it was heavily debated and the general consensus was it does not. Or not very well. Thoughts?

Secondly, I picked up on some older posts here that other OTCs contain Ketotifen but it seems they've been discontinued?

Give a search for Benadryl, I'm sure you'll get something relevant. Back in the day when I first read up on it, I also came to the conclusion that 2 Betasleep caps would be the equivalent effective does.

Ketotifen would be the better option IMHO, but yeah, been discontinued for a while. It was also hellish expensive by comparison.

Klos wrote: Pyro and others,

Been using Betasleep for a while now with Clen.

Do you guys have any links to any literature showing it's effectiveness in upregulating Beta-2 receptors? Read a few forums where it was heavily debated and the general consensus was it does not. Or not very well. Thoughts?

Secondly, I picked up on some older posts here that other OTCs contain Ketotifen but it seems they've been discontinued?

This is one of those where you can test it on yourself then you will quickly realise the truth.

Klos wrote: Pyro and others,

Been using Betasleep for a while now with Clen.

Do you guys have any links to any literature showing it's effectiveness in upregulating Beta-2 receptors? Read a few forums where it was heavily debated and the general consensus was it does not. Or not very well. Thoughts?

Secondly, I picked up on some older posts here that other OTCs contain Ketotifen but it seems they've been discontinued?

I was able to acquire some Adco-Zetofen last year when I was giving clen a try. It was not easy but the hospital pharmacies are able to place a special order for you.

I actually still have 2 bottles sitting here in my room, unopened. I also tried some beta sleep but preferred the zetofen as it was easier to take as I cannot swallow tablets / pills.

Regardless, I felt as if my tolerance towards the clen increased rapidly as my side effects were minimal compared to my friend - the side effects decreased with time despite the dose increasing. I was able to go upto 120mg and I would get some slight shakes around 60 minutes after consuming for 30 minutes. So I would imagine tolerance build up is more the beta 2 receptors being down-regulated and the stuff I was on was not doing as great of a job or my body is just a bit weird

The clen did tire me out in the gym though, soo much effort to do things. Endurance was horrible.


Remember that everyone is different and reacts differently to various substances. So what might work for you, does not mean it will work for someone else. Give it all a go and let us know, I would be very interested to see what your finding are.

I've been Clen for about a week now, the side effects are quite heavy for me at a low dosage of 40mcg a day, will be switching to ECA next week. Anti-catabolic effects are amazing but still would say the side effects are a bit much... Headaches, shivering hands, muscle cramps everywhere and not to mention your heart pulsating away 24/7.

I've heard some guys taking two a day (80mcg) and then skipping a day or two?? Also would you say supplementing with Taurine will help control your heart's rhythm?

Sounds like you get harsh sides mate. Taurine, I've not read anything about normalising heart rhythm, sorry mate can't confirm.

Regarding the cramps, most common fix is sorting your electrolytes out. Get your salts balanced. Taurine helped me in this regard too. Also, might sound obvious, but ensure you are hydrated.

PraetorivsXII wrote: I've been Clen for about a week now, the side effects are quite heavy for me at a low dosage of 40mcg a day, will be switching to ECA next week. Anti-catabolic effects are amazing but still would say the side effects are a bit much... Headaches, shivering hands, muscle cramps everywhere and not to mention your heart pulsating away 24/7.

I've heard some guys taking two a day (80mcg) and then skipping a day or two?? Also would you say supplementing with Taurine will help control your heart's rhythm?

Pur-bloka 10mg 3 times a day. No coffee or pre workout if you want a natural route motherwort, 10 drops 3 times a day.

Pump if he takes a beta blocker don't you think it will 'block' the Clen/Ephedrine?

Dangerous but not ineffective. He could go a more direct route and target the (f)"funny" channel by using Ivabradine (Coralan).

That would be a much better option as he will still have all the thermo effects of Clen but with reduced sides. Actually any tranquilizer that doesn't target the beta receptors will do this.

PsyCLown wrote: I was able to acquire some Adco-Zetofen last year when I was giving clen a try. It was not easy but the hospital pharmacies are able to place a special order for you.

The clen did tire me out in the gym though, soo much effort to do things. Endurance was horrible.

Remember that everyone is different and reacts differently to various substances. So what might work for you, does not mean it will work for someone else. Give it all a go and let us know, I would be very interested to see what your finding are.

Found Adco-Zetofen at the first Dischem I walked in today. R105 for a 200ml bottle. That gives 40mg of Ketotifen. Enough for about 15 days.

Will try it from tonight on instead of the Betasleep.

Klos wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: I was able to acquire some Adco-Zetofen last year when I was giving clen a try. It was not easy but the hospital pharmacies are able to place a special order for you.

The clen did tire me out in the gym though, soo much effort to do things. Endurance was horrible.

Remember that everyone is different and reacts differently to various substances. So what might work for you, does not mean it will work for someone else. Give it all a go and let us know, I would be very interested to see what your finding are.

Found Adco-Zetofen at the first Dischem I walked in today. R105 for a 200ml bottle. That gives 40mg of Ketotifen. Enough for about 15 days.

Will try it from tonight on instead of the Betasleep.

Lucky bugger.

side effects not so severe anymore thanks, can you take clen or ECA on full stomach or must it be empty??

I've tried both methods, seems like ECA werk vokol on a full stomach...

ECA has aspirin in it so you must take it with food. It still works the sides are just less

Has anyone heard anything about clen increasing possibilities for bone fractures? Read something about this in my gf's study guide from varsity.

Your thoughts on this?

If we take Beta-Sleep / Adco-Zetofen / Ketotifen to slow down the down-regulation of Beta-2 receptors while on Clen, would that imply taking them while not on Clen could help up-regulate or increase the number of these Beta-2 receptors?

If so, it should (in theory) help with fat loss when not on Clen as it could potentially alter the ration of A2 vs. B2 receptors, especially in those stubborn fat areas?

Anyone tried this?