When is it time for TRT? MY SCENARIO

You'll probably have a headache for a day as Letro takes effect and you'll feel pretty lethargic. Your estrogen will be near 0 so you won't be the happiest chappy. You will get used to it after a few days. It's still definitely worth a shot if it prevents you needing surgery.

@ Switch

Im just curious bud, but earlier in the thread you mentioned that your doc said you need not to worry about fertility.

So I was just wondering if he mentioned any treatments that you can do for fertility? I mean if you go on TRT then obviously you wont be able to father any kids, so how do they plan on combating that in the future?

Replies from anyone would be appreciated

Hey Snitch

Well this is a big thing for me.

He said when it comes to trying to make babies, he said you just take ovitrelle and that should help out, however I am sure that there is a bit more to it.

Here is my argument though. I have not once to this day heard of someone that cant get their wife preggers due to steroids.

My coach in America is 35 years old. He has been cruising and blasting for about 5 or 6 years now, gets bloods done every 6 months just to keep "healthy". He got his wife preggers about 7 months ago and he hasnt used HCG or any PCT drugs for 3 years.

I also know someone personally that his wife just had a baby and he is kind of also in the same boat.

Now I am not sure if its the luck of the draw, but from what my coach has told me, seems like the whole fertility steroid issue is very exagerated.

But I open this up to a discussion, because I may be wrong, I am just telling you all what I have heard.

Thanks for that reply switch. This whole fertility issue is also a big thing for me!! Something that I am trying to get right!

Ive also heard of using ovitrelle for something like 6 months, then sperm gets tested etc. If this did not help then they add FSH I think which further assists the spermatogenesis process.

I think treating fertility issues in men is somewhat successful all the time. Its more on the female side that have the most problems!

Im just curious as I mean, you ll be on TRT for a number of years. By that time your balls are going to be all shrivelled up and completely out of action!! So just wondering if it is really that simple by getting them started up by just using HCG??

Hey Snitch!

Im going to ask him about it the next time I see him...

However, my coach has told me when it comes to your balls shrinking and all that jazz, he said his really havnt shrunk that much, NOHOMO. LOL

Seems funny, there in the U.S from what he told me, many guys do cruise and blast. HE says Yo yoing your hormones is just as unhealthy as staying on for life.

Have a look at Marc Lobliners Page on you tube, its called Tigerfitness. HE is a great guy and I have learnt alot from him.

He is also a firm believer in the fact that PCT is pointless. HE says that once you decide to take gear, its a life sentence, and you have to understand that. Thats what he says, whether I agree or not im not sure

And then when it comes to down regulating the receptors, what he says is this:
Ok, so you down regulate your receptors, but lose 2kgs of what you gained because your hormones crashed. lol.

What he does is cruise and blast, blood work every 3 months or so, and he has 3 children.
So his "off time" is his TRT basically.

But at the end of it all, I am really not sure which route to go. At my age, i do see coming off a good idea, but from what my hormones look like now, if I come off gear one day and hormones drop like this I will never come off again. Seems pointless.

Last year I was about 80kgs ripped on stage, now im about 83 and half the size as I was last year, and my diet is still PERFECT so that is not the blame.

Just makes you think...

Hey Guys!

I hope everyone is well!

Just a quick update and here is some VERY good news!!

I have been on the Ovitrelle now for about 2 months, also been on 2.5mg letro a day and 2mg adex per week ( this was due to the gyno sides which I feel have got better).

I am also on DHEA at 125mg per day. And here are my bloods. These were taken while still on all the above drugs.

E2: 45pmol/L
Test Total: 30.3 nmol/L
SHGB: 19.10 nmol/L
Free Test: 907 pmol/L
DHEA: 23.90 umol/L
LH: 12.0 U/L

Liver has also come down to perfect levels and thats purely from N Acetyl Cysteine. I spoke to my doc about legalon and all other drugs, he said they all shit compared to this shelf product.

SO, these have come up a huge amount. My only concern which I will discuss with my doc tomorrow is what happens if I come off everything, then what? So this is a discussion I will have when I see him tomorrow. I will keep you guys in the loop about that though.

I am also feeling a million times better

Now my question to you guys, what do these levels look like? are these considerably high? or are these test levels now in the normal average zone?

Why do you want to come off everything? Free Test at 907 is where you want it. For a guy throwing around weights anyway.

Yeah!

Its not that I want to come off, its the case of what if I do come off will my levels drop down into the shit house again?

Seeing my doc in 30 min. Will let u no how it goes

Sorry to dig up this thread again guys but I was reading though and am very inteerested in two things.

1. You say you where "foolish" and made mistakes while on cycle.

Just wondering what mistakes you made during or after the cycle that could have caused this mission for you? I would really like to know as hopefully the we can all learn from your mistakes.

2. What has been the out come of your last visit to the doc?

I hope all your levels are back in the normal range and that you are feeling lekker again.

Again, I am sorry for bringing up an old thread but I really would like to know why this happend to you and how to prevent it.

Keep it real

Any one know ? :huh:

Howsit Switch..how did your visit at the doc go bud?? Those levels of yours are looking much better bro!! congrats mate..please let me know how things are going and what he said once you come off everything very interested.

Hows things going Switch?? How are your levels looking bud? Still on the ovitrelle etc?

Hey Guys!

Long time no speak.

I went to the doc a few weeks ago and levels are all pretty much in range however I AM still on the Ovitrelle and everything else as stated above!

Estrogen is still high though so he has me on one kessar tab every other day.

I have now come OFF everything besides DHEA. We have realised I have a DHEA defficiency so I gotta be on that for life unfortunately!

I will keep you all in the loop about how it goes here on!

HOLD THUMBS FOR ME! lol

Look after yourself guys and hope you all had a lekker christmas!