Everything you need to know about Clenbuterol

Pyroclasm wrote:

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: But if I use Beta-Sleep wit ECA and Yoimbine then I can use it for a full 8weeks?

No, the beta-sleep only works with the Clen. The aspirin is kind of addictive so you might develop a tendency and get some slight withdrawal symptoms. Also the caffeine will stop with its main effects long before 8 weeks.

That is interesting and something I never knew.
Does this apply to White Willow Bark as well and what sort of withdrawal effects would one usually get?



Also for interest sake and since there is a lot of BS which goes around regarding supplements and so forth, I heard that ECY (Ephedrine, Caffeine & Yohimbine) is a dangerous combination and that it is not recommended? I am not too sure why but it was just something I stumbled upon when doing a bit of Google research.

In my honest opinion ECA is worse than ECY. Continued use of aspirin (or any Non-steriodal Anti-inflammatory) is bad for your stomach.

White Willow Bark is wannabee Yohimbine, not related to Aspirin.

Furk wrote: In my honest opinion ECA is worse than ECY. Continued use of aspirin (or any Non-steriodal Anti-inflammatory) is bad for your stomach.

White Willow Bark is wannabee Yohimbine, not related to Aspirin.

So bad for stomach as in it can cause stomach ulcers and eat away at your stomach lining or messes up digestion and causes your body to not take in nutrients as well? Orrr?


Also I am pretty sure White Willow Bark is related to Aspirin...
*Googles*

Willow bark acts a lot like aspirin, so it is used for pain, including headache, muscle pain, menstrual cramps, rheumatoid arthritis (RA), osteoarthritis, gout, and a disease of the spine called ankylosing spondylitis.

The main chemical that gives willow bark its therapeutic effects is salicin. Experts believe that when the body processes salicin, it turns it into salicylic acid, which is the chemical precursor to aspirin. In 1928, European chemists figured out how to extract salicin and turn it into salicylic acid. It became popular as a pain reliever and fever reducer, and was then modified to become acetylsalicylic acid, or aspirin.

www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingre...ntname=willow%20bark

www.healthline.com/health/willow-bark-natures-aspirin#2


Anyways, this is the clen thread. I think we are getting a bit off topic now.
Sorry.

@Psy: Yeah, in terms of gastrointestinal health. Bad for the stomach lining, acidity and can aggravates symptoms already being experienced.


About the White Willow Bark, my bad. I just knew about it's connection to Yoh. Not trying to give bad information to you or trying to get you addicted. No need for the beefy comment though. Honest mistake.

PsyCLown wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: But if I use Beta-Sleep wit ECA and Yoimbine then I can use it for a full 8weeks?

No, the beta-sleep only works with the Clen. The aspirin is kind of addictive so you might develop a tendency and get some slight withdrawal symptoms. Also the caffeine will stop with its main effects long before 8 weeks.

That is interesting and something I never knew.
Does this apply to White Willow Bark as well and what sort of withdrawal effects would one usually get?



Also for interest sake and since there is a lot of BS which goes around regarding supplements and so forth, I heard that ECY (Ephedrine, Caffeine & Yohimbine) is a dangerous combination and that it is not recommended? I am not too sure why but it was just something I stumbled upon when doing a bit of Google research.

99% of what you read on the Internet is just an opinion so don't just believe anything from a Google search. ECY is absolutely fantastic and is a milder version of CCY (Clen + Caf + Yoh) which is the ultimate.

@Furk: There is no beefy comment so chill.

@Pyroclasm. If one used FFF + YOHIMBINE, what will happen? Is it good or bad combo?

I'm aware that FFF must clearly used aline, just curious.

Thanks

Your nuts will explode! JK... The FFF already contains Yohimbine so by taking additional Yoh you will most likely exceed the optimimal dosage and increase side effects without adding any benefits.

FFF already has Y in it bud.

IMO adding it to FFF or taking your FFF with Y is asking for trouble. Especialy people with high BMI and Body Fat. We are more prone to High Blood Pressure problems as well as Heart Issues.

That said. FFF is out of your system after 8hours.

Good diet and excersise and FFF is all most will ever need to get you past your sticking point. Great Product good qaulity herbal extracts hence the potency and effectiveness of the product. Also the Warning to not combine with other fatburning/stimulatory supplements.

Sorry Pyro.
Just saw you posted while I was typing.

Furk wrote: @Psy: Yeah, in terms of gastrointestinal health. Bad for the stomach lining, acidity and can aggravates symptoms already being experienced.


About the White Willow Bark, my bad. I just knew about it's connection to Yoh. Not trying to give bad information to you or trying to get you addicted. No need for the beefy comment though. Honest mistake.

If it came across as beefy I am sorry, was not my intention!
I do not post on forums to stay fights and flame wars, just to learn!
Thanks for the info on the aspirin.

Pyroclasm wrote: 99% of what you read on the Internet is just an opinion so don't just believe anything from a Google search. ECY is absolutely fantastic and is a milder version of CCY (Clen + Caf + Yoh) which is the ultimate.

Speaking of clen and Yohimbine, what sort of dosage is generally recommended when combining the two?
I heard that in terms of Yohimbine dosage 0.2mg per KG of weight. So someone who weights 50KG will take 10mg and someone who is 100KG will be using 20mg?

Does that sound about right? Would you want to build up to that dose with Yohimbine if you are on clen?
Would it be most beneficial to wait until you reach your clen max dose before adding some yohimbine into the mix?

Yeah, on the screen it looks very sarcastic. Anyway, water under the bridge. Let's talk about delicious chemicals.

Your Yoh dosages are correct, well at least according to the old rule I know.

About the combination of the 2, I don't do Yohimbine without Clen/ Albuterol. I've no adverse reaction if I take them in combination. But then again I always do the equivalent of 120mcg Clen with 50mg Yohimbine.

PsyCLown wrote:

Furk wrote: @Psy: Yeah, in terms of gastrointestinal health. Bad for the stomach lining, acidity and can aggravates symptoms already being experienced.


About the White Willow Bark, my bad. I just knew about it's connection to Yoh. Not trying to give bad information to you or trying to get you addicted. No need for the beefy comment though. Honest mistake.

If it came across as beefy I am sorry, was not my intention!
I do not post on forums to stay fights and flame wars, just to learn!
Thanks for the info on the aspirin.

Pyroclasm wrote: 99% of what you read on the Internet is just an opinion so don't just believe anything from a Google search. ECY is absolutely fantastic and is a milder version of CCY (Clen + Caf + Yoh) which is the ultimate.

Speaking of clen and Yohimbine, what sort of dosage is generally recommended when combining the two?
I heard that in terms of Yohimbine dosage 0.2mg per KG of weight. So someone who weights 50KG will take 10mg and someone who is 100KG will be using 20mg?

Does that sound about right? Would you want to build up to that dose with Yohimbine if you are on clen?
Would it be most beneficial to wait until you reach your clen max dose before adding some yohimbine into the mix?

Have you read the Yohimbine article?

Pyroclasm wrote: Have you read the Yohimbine article?

Sorry I had actually read it a while ago and forgot about it.

Cheers Pyro. The Yohimbine article is actually well written and covers a lot of ground.

Maybe I'll make a Yohimbine General thread were we can discuss it without intruding on the Clenbuterol thread. Recent research into Yohimbine with unexpected results. I'll share later this evening.

Furk wrote: Cheers Pyro. The Yohimbine article is actually well written and covers a lot of ground.

Maybe I'll make a Yohimbine General thread were we can discuss it without intruding on the Clenbuterol thread. Recent research into Yohimbine with unexpected results. I'll share later this evening.

Thanx dude! Post it!

So I have a bit of a weird question.

Managed to source some Adco-Zetofen and have Betasleep as well.

Would much rather take the Zetofen as opposed to the betasleep, however if I take the zetofen and struggle to sleep and then decide to take some betasleep would it be alright or would it be advised to go for a different sleeping pill?

Do you usually struggle with sleep mate? Ketotifen is also associated with drowsiness?

On a sideline, I've recently (few weeks) started taking GABA with Betasleep. Sleep like a champion.

But if your asking about safety, no it's fine. But I would hypothesise that taking a sleeping aid that works on a totally different mechanism will be more effective.

PsyCLown wrote: So I have a bit of a weird question.

Managed to source some Adco-Zetofen and have Betasleep as well.

Would much rather take the Zetofen as opposed to the betasleep, however if I take the zetofen and struggle to sleep and then decide to take some betasleep would it be alright or would it be advised to go for a different sleeping pill?

No problem

Sorry, another question regarding clen.

Why is there a difference recommended max dosage for men vs women? Is it due to the fact that women generally have a higher resting heart rate or is it due to the fact that women are often smaller than men?

If due to being smaller, would a small male then also be recommended to rather stop after hitting 80mcg?

PsyCLown wrote: Why is there a difference recommended max dosage for men vs women?

Because woman can't handle the heat!

Kidding bra, no offence meant to girls. Huessing same reason all stims and thermogenics are applied that way, it's a safer dose. For Yohimbine it makes sense though, since ladies physically have more of the receptors that it acts on.

Furk wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: Why is there a difference recommended max dosage for men vs women?

Because woman can't handle the heat!

Kidding bra, no offence meant to girls. Huessing same reason all stims and thermogenics are applied that way, it's a safer dose. For Yohimbine it makes sense though, since ladies physically have more of the receptors that it acts on.

Yeah, sure it is a safer dose however why recommend not going over 80mcg where as men can go for a higher dose which is less safe - an extra 40mcg?

For Yohimbine perhaps that makes sense, although with Clen?

In terms of using Betasleep with clen.
Once a week or daily?

Two Betasleep daily