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Mason Might
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30 Nov 2014 19:21 #178241 by Mason Might

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I see the logic with that Pyro...

My only issue is that i myself have done this when results stall. And 2-3days later had broken through the point that I was stuck at.

Perhaps results of the cheat meal would have been better if I had not exceeded maintenance.

Thanks for the advice Pyro will try it in the future...

DK, sorry if I led you the wrong way, but I doubt it will set you too far back. Focus on the current diet and forget about the cheat. Move on stronger

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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30 Nov 2014 19:24 #178242 by donkiekong

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I'm starting full keto Tomorrow and I'll jump on the scale first thing tomorrow morning and I'll update the starts and on Tuesday my age stat will change to lol! Haha

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30 Nov 2014 19:27 #178243 by Mason Might

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Haha

Well I'm horrible with dates, constantly forget my parents. My ex used to remind me until I forgot hers too :pinch:

So happy birthday for Tuesday bud, cause I will have certainly forgotten by then

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30 Nov 2014 19:28 #178244 by donkiekong

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Thank you so much MM for all the encouragement , I just hope I won't disappoint you after you have done so much to help me succeed

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30 Nov 2014 21:45 #178247 by donkiekong

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Guys this is going to be a stupid question but will I be losing weight from fat in the first week on keto diet?? Or will it be more water weight I'll be losing if I lose any weight??

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30 Nov 2014 21:48 #178249 by Pyroclasm

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Most of it will be water and glycogen but you should also lose a little bit of fat yeah. The real magic happens after two to three weeks when you are deep into ketosis. That's without cheating though. ;-)

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11 Dec 2014 07:28 - 11 Dec 2014 07:46 #178520 by donkiekong

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Hai guys

I have been following the kito diet very strict now since the 6th of dec which was a saturday

Could I have a cheat meal on the 18th of dec which will be a thursday and was thinking of having my last meal of the day as my cheat meal and making it pizza ??

Maybe any other suggestions for a better cheat meal ?? MM? Pyro?

Or will it be better to wait a bit longer before a do a cheat meal

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11 Dec 2014 07:56 #178521 by Mason Might

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Was wondering when you were going to post...

First tell us, how's the progress? Start weight and Bf as well as current?

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11 Dec 2014 08:03 - 11 Dec 2014 08:04 #178523 by Mason Might

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You will be about 2 weeks in by the 18th...

I think Pyro advocates a 3 week period before the first refeed.

Personally I would say go for it... I hate killing myself and would.rather take an extra week to get to my goals.

The refeed with pizza I'm iffy with, I also love the stuff. But that cheat meal/day you should limit fat intake and allocate those calories to carbs, to replenish glycogen.

I may be crucified for this but I would opt for either a clean or dirty version

Clean being basmati and sweet potato.

Dirty being coco pops and oats.

Sure Pyro will be able to better advise with the cheat meal itself though. He is a keto Fundi.

Edit: I'm guessing that you are wanting panno's eat as much as you like... Also a bad idea. Try count the cals and exercise restraint.

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11 Dec 2014 08:10 #178526 by donkiekong

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Hay bud

I'll update stats tomorrow morning , and I see that the pizza is out hahaha

I'll opped for a re-feed with coco pops

But a question on the re-feed , do I add carbs into my whole day's meals or only on the last meal of the day?

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11 Dec 2014 09:29 #178529 by Mason Might

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It depends really... There are a few ways to do it.

Some will opt for a 2 day refeed, others will add smaller amounts of carbs to each meal for the day and cut the fat. For example every meal would have 200g (for arguments sake) of sweet potato...
Dave Palumbo goes with the last meal of the day to ensure you don't go completely bonkers and eat what ever haphazardly crosses your path.

I've even seen intermittent fasting being done on cheat day.
Where the guy had 2 eggs at 6am and then had his last meal for the day at 6pm, ensuring the entire days calories came from carbs, high GI first (coco pops) then low GI oats...

There's a million different approach's and at the end of the day it takes some trial and error to find what suits you best.

Some may say do xyz but in reality if you found something that works for you, stick with it. Because you're doing this for you not them.
(still stay away from pizza though) :lol:

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11 Dec 2014 10:03 - 11 Dec 2014 10:14 #178534 by donkiekong

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Hahaha I just love pizza!! Hahahah

Oky but ya let's try the last meal of the day and a bit of carbs before my workout

Will adding omega 3 to my diet make any difference ??

In stead of the 10ml olive oil I add in 3 soft caps of omega 3 ??

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11 Dec 2014 10:24 #178540 by Pyroclasm

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Funny thing this cheat meal. It's actually better to eat some crappy delicious junk food than to make it clean. When you look at Jay Cutler with his coach Haney Rambod, Haney's biggest problem is getting Jay to eat a proper dirty cheat meal because Jay is a robot. I believe that a cheat meal is sacred and you should eat whatever will make you the happiest. Whatever you are craving in the whole world. Use it as a reward for being so dedicated to your diet and use it so that you don't feel trapped in your diet. You dieted like a beast and you deserve a reward. Very important to do proper damage control as you don't want to undo all of your week's hard work.

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11 Dec 2014 14:45 - 11 Dec 2014 14:58 #178548 by donkiekong

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At what time of day would be a good choice to have a cheat meal pyro?? Or should I stick to the last meal of the day to be my cheat meal and don't have fats for that day??

My energy levels are very low I feel very weak and tired after every workout

Should I consider a cheat meal today or wait until next week this time?

I don't want my body to start thinking I'm in starvation mode an start holding on to fat

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11 Dec 2014 15:50 #178553 by Pyroclasm

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Best is always after a workout or at night. Dude you are not even two weeks into keto if you didn't feel like crap then you're not doing it right. Your workouts should take a nose dive until you reach ketosis because you have no proper source of energy. Just stick through it. I wouldn't cheat meal at all if I were you. But I understand it's difficult during the festive season.

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11 Dec 2014 16:00 #178555 by donkiekong

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Okay thanx pyro for the tip that I am doing keto correct , at the moment after my workouts I have to tape a hour nap because I am exhausted , even if I say so my self my workouts are brutal

Oky so best is to stick it out and just keep on keeping on without any cheats?

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11 Dec 2014 17:21 #178561 by Pyroclasm

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Yes and try not to kill yourself in the gym.

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13 Dec 2014 12:06 #178615 by donkiekong

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Will it be wrong to eat a mango today?

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13 Dec 2014 13:30 #178616 by Mason Might

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Its full of sugar Bro, so yes as its carbs...

You're battling, I suggest having the cheat meal. For the purpose of being able to recover from there, as opposed to completely de-railing.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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13 Dec 2014 14:19 #178617 by donkiekong

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Thanx MM I had one mango now haha it can't be a train smash I'll just work off all the sugar later on in the day when I go to gym

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13 Dec 2014 17:24 #178618 by Mason Might

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Hahaha bud it doesn't work that way :pinch:

Not with keto at least, you are now out of ketosis. So HAVE A FULL CHEAT MEAL, and get back on track...

Rooting for you Bro.

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13 Dec 2014 18:14 #178619 by donkiekong

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Haha rather not hay , I'll just keep strict from tomorrow again haha my gf was eating mango's and I just started craving for one

So I hope I'll be back into ketosis by monday

But I should add that my first week did not go that bad , but I will have to stop going into full beast mode when I train as I kill my self haha and I need an hours sleep after every session so from now on only 70%

But all and all it looks like I have lost cm in stead om weight and also my arms are staring to become more vascular and my bicep vain is showing again and a vain in my calve is back

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14 Dec 2014 13:26 #178622 by Mason Might

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Post some pics bud...

Thanks for the update

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15 Dec 2014 06:36 #178640 by Mason Might

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Hey bud...

Push hard this week... You going to be feeling crappy, and temptation will be rife. Your cheat meal is a week away so stay strong.

Good luck man.

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18 Dec 2014 13:51 #178709 by donkiekong

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Update time

I can now start seeing my abs very lightly when I tens or flex my abdominal , my arms , traps and shoulders are becoming nice and lean now , I also have a view veins in my calves now and more in my forearms on the flexor carpie and extensore sides as well as the vein on both biceps

I'm still keeping strict om my diet without a cheat yet

And a silly question but if I knew the answer I wouldn't be asking , is it possible to gain muscle while on keto??? Because I seem to be adding a bit om size , not huge size but a bit

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