General lockdown and COVID-19 discussion

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I dont think its going to take till mid next year for the vaccine. Phase 3 has been implemented for a week now. im guessing september the latest for a vaccine.

vladtheimpaler wrote: www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/...-coronavirus-vaccine

I dont think its going to take till mid next year for the vaccine. Phase 3 has been implemented for a week now. im guessing september the latest for a vaccine.

A vaccine will not come. It is obtuse to rely on that. The probability of getting one (never mind in time) is just so low.

That Cyril poes is planning a socialist economy, that was clear from his speech. Also employing more soldiers, hopefully everyone will start waking up regarding this virus scam.

admin wrote: That Cyril poes is planning a socialist economy, that was clear from his speech. Also employing more soldiers, hopefully everyone will start waking up regarding this virus scam.

The word scientific got thrown around very loosely in his speech. I don't understand his angle. Let's wait and see if all these fund go to where we suspect ONLY. People talk shit about Trump... I always tell them to just look at our country...

EDIT: I wish to have heard more about assisting small business... it is a huge component of our economy and honestly big game tactics, that is in every human in SA's population.

Vaccine Probablity
So lets look at the stats then. We already have people linking the www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf

BCG (TB) vaccine to death rates. As well as the survivors you can check for the type of immunity build up so i think its far fetched to say a vaccine wont happen and if it does it will take a while. (Phizer wants money.)

Cyril's speech last night
Throwing around a few billions like its candy has me somewhat happy and somewhat scared. More probable that it will be laundered or stollen but never the less there is clearly MONEY !!!

I agree with admin ,the total Draconic personality that this president is conveying scares me. He has no regards to people with problems such as smoking.

Section 27(2) of the Disaster Management Act clearly states the limiting of the sale of alcohol but makes no mention of cigarettes. The amended regulations released after the initial three weeks of lockdown state that the retail stores are only allowed to sell “essential goods”.

Its absolute totalitarion stances towards the DA is crazy !!! Denying them to speak up and even allowing a voice to speak about the problem is frustrating.

I as an individual whom has been smoking for about 7 years. Aint going to stop smoking. You know your country is screwed when it is easier to find Cannabis than tabacco products.

Economy kickstart ? WTF
SO lets say he does kickstart the economy with reducing the flow of infrastructure and then also pointing out huge investments as a supply side policy for infrastructure. (Counter intuitive right ? As if E-Tol wasnt enough)

How will he make sure the repo release doesnt make the rand dip even FURTHER. Such a flood of money is surely going to mess with international trade. And seemingly no one can import SA goods due to the virus its absurd thinking this will manage itself and get the rand back steadily...

Lets take the depression years after ww1 in germany. BARRELS AND BARRELS of cash not worth anything. So that people wouldnt spend too much. To pay off loans. This is inevitable that we need to pay loans to the world bank as well as the other countries helping us out somewhat.

it's just a slippin slide down paying back other countries with a shitty currency.


That's my 2 cents.

Obviously take it with a grain of salt but the ANC is definitely conveying a Draconistic approach to the situation.

What was that 35% paye thing? Not sure i heard right....

Hier kom nog groot kak.

Guys are some of you for real??? I was going to comment last night that I feel that we have a lot of intelligent people on this forum but today... ek weet nie. The oke who thinks that a vaccine is coming soon because big pharma wants to profit - errrr where’s the vaccine for HIV?

Admin, even the DA thinks that Cyril is doing well and that says a lot. Btw if he (the biggest beneficiary from capitalism) wanted to transform us into a socialist society I HIGHLY doubt he would be accepting money from the IMF etc. Unfortunately he has to because, like you said, the economy is fucked, not like it wasn’t before though so not much more to lose there hey.
Just calm down with the conspiracy theories guys. Jislaaaaaaik.

Oupa dis waar - 500bn... the comrades are going to have a lekker jol.
Can we just stick to steroids please. We have REAL experts on that here.
Next we will have ‘expert’ economists lecturing us on why/how/what is going on with the WTI oil future price going negative. Hehehe, did I just open another can of worms?

I'm hearing about a year for a corona vaccine. I would of thought big pharma made a lot of money off supplying arvs and other hiv related drugs as opposed to finding a vaccine.

Jonny wrote: Guys are some of you for real??? I was going to comment last night that I feel that we have a lot of intelligent people on this forum but today... ek weet nie. The oke who thinks that a vaccine is coming soon because big pharma wants to profit - errrr where’s the vaccine for HIV?

Come on Mr. Virologist now is your time to shine. For someone that's an "expert" on the current subject matter you've said absolutely nothing that convinced me of that or you simply aren't that knowledgeable yourself. Supposedly this is your field of expertise so if you disagree back it up with facts, evidence or even personal opinion and not just by belittling the member(s) by insinuating they are not intelligent.

Jonny wrote: Admin, even the DA thinks that Cyril is doing well and that says a lot. Btw if he (the biggest beneficiary from capitalism) wanted to transform us into a socialist society I HIGHLY doubt he would be accepting money from the IMF etc. Unfortunately he has to because, like you said, the economy is fucked, not like it wasn’t before though so not much more to lose there hey.
Just calm down with the conspiracy theories guys. Jislaaaaaaik.

I guess you missed the part where the DA is worried as fuck about the employment of 76000 troops as well. That's more than the 30743 SADF troops, 22000 SWARTF troops and 8300 SWAPOL police that were deployed during the hight of the bush war... and this is to police a virus that has so far only barely killed more people than what is murdered daily in South Africa.

The ANC is a socialist party, haven't you been paying attention or were you singing kumbaya all this time... In socialism your farm, house, car, savings, business belongs to the "people" and you don't need it as much as they do so we'll take it and give it to those that really need it, our people, the loyal voters. Ever heard of expropriation without compensation? The cANCer has been failing and they know that, you are seeing the birth of a dictatorship and you don't even realise it... I guess a death you don't see coming is quicker and less painful, good for you.

Jonny wrote: Oupa dis waar - 500bn... the comrades are going to have a lekker jol.

You don't agree with me, but you agree with Oupa and you call the ANC members comrades, you a hypocrite perhaps? For educational purposes; a comrade is a fellow socialist or communist and that's why the term is used by the ANC and EFF.

Jonny wrote: Can we just stick to steroids please. We have REAL experts on that here.
Next we will have ‘expert’ economists lecturing us on why/how/what is going on with the WTI oil future price going negative. Hehehe, did I just open another can of worms?

This is the general section of the forum, here we can discuss anything that is not against the rules of the forum. If you don't like that you can scroll past this thread or fuck off. If members want to discuss the economy, politics, vaccines or the oil price they are welcome to do so and they will not be told to shut up because you can't handle the discussion. In the last 13 years we’ve discussed very touchy subjects on here, but lately it seems you aren’t allowed to say anything that is not politically-correct. If you don’t agree with something or someone you can debate it like we do now.

Very few members here are doctors, yet you are fine with them self-medicating and discussing steroids and even calling them “REAL experts” but they are not allowed to discuss politics or economics, because they aren't experts? You are a hypocrite.

+1 admin honestly.

- Reason for no AIDS vaccine is because maybe your immunesystem is fucked from the virus type ? thus you cant recover ? have you thought why nobody can control it , no ?
- Jonny the DA isnt agreeing with Cyril i dunno where you read your news but on news24 which i find to be objective mostly is highlight stuff that the DA is arguing with cyril 24.7 and the EFF try and grasp to conspiracy theories.

btw conspiracies theories are theories about 5g and Bill Gates starting the virus not about economics behind what happens afterwards and using hsitory to imply that it will repeat itself? thats called arguing...

As I've said in my second post of this thread, I know nothing about virology and honestly I don't care because in my opinion the threat is not the virus but rather the current opportunistic reaction from the politicians and resulting economic collapse. Even-though the virus doesn't concern me I would still like to hear what others think as it might change my mind if I can come to the same conclusion.

I might be wrong, hopefully I am and I would be very happy if I'm just overreacting and will have no problem admitting that. However, I'm noticing more and more people starting to lean toward "my" side of the argument... not here but across the nation... even the left is expressing concern and they are the ones calling for more government control on EVERYTHING.

Nothing wrong with theorising at all, that's often how the best ideas or discoveries are made... changing opinions as you gain knowledge and experience is exactly what this forum is about. “A wise man changes his mind sometimes, but a fool never. To change your mind is the best evidence you have one.”

To put it into the context of the forum, I've seen a few times where someone here is dismissed due to not having an adequately developed physique... that's a foolish view... because then you are of the view that someone with a well developed physique knows better and that is completely incorrect. The single most dangerous advice I've ever seen came from one of the most successful bodybuilders in SA and last time I checked he was on his deathbed.

1,055 people in South Africa have recovered, these numbers mean our active caseload is 2,515 and not the 3,635 that the minister of health is fixated with.

If the virus was such a concern why not spend the R4.6b on health care instead of deploying more SANDF soldiers, you don't cure Covid-19 with R4 rifles unless your plan is to shoot people before they get ill... I guess in that case you technically prevented them from dying from a virus... and I thought the lockdown was going to end in a week... clearly not as the army is here to suppress the resulting uprising.

"The path of Ramaphosa’s letter for major SANDF deployment raises serious concerns around separation of powers.

When a president usually so focused on following correct processes goes astray like this, it signifies something is potentially very, very wrong. And when the military decides to diss accountability to Parliament - it is time to raise the alarm."

www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-04-...eparation-of-powers/

I think we should all just stick to gains and how we can help people out in this life to make their lives better and it all starts at home. No matter what we say the government and whoever is involved is going to do what they want to anyway. They can mess everything up if they want to but karma is a real bitch and that's just how it works. Positivity and helping each other out is the only thing we're good at and not those fools and I guess that's good enough.

A) I was referring (Mainly) to the chap who reckons that a vaccine is imminent when even Roche says its 18 months away.
What would you like to know about the virus?

I was referring to the economic stimulus package which the DA has seemingly approved of: “The President last night resisted the pressure from inside his own party and alliance to fund this stimulus package from unsustainable and counterproductive sources like the PIC and tax hikes. His decision to approach global institutions was the right one.” - DA

C) I was being sarcastic by calling them ‘comrades’. Borrowing from the IMF and World Bank is TOTALLY against socialist policy, contradictory to the very core. I agreed with Oupa regarding the kak because the 500bn is gonna get looted like no mans business by these corrupt politicians.

D) calm down. I have never said anyone should shut up or fuck off, but it seems YOU are getting everything wrong about this as well. There is so much misinformation in this thread... it’s like listening to high school kids discussing how they gonna juice ‘just deca and dbol boet and I’ll be ready for first team. Nah fuck what’s PCT, sounds gay.’

I don’t know why that came up as an emoji I wrote B and )

Also regarding the SANDF issue, let’s wait and see what their actual role will be before jumping to conclusions that they will be shooting people with rifles. Our corrupt police who are busy drinking the alcohol they confiscate need all the help they can get to enforce this lockdown stringently so that we can end it ASAP.

I don't enjoy politics. But my view point, right or wrong. Even if by some magic we get rid of the virus, 1 person comes into the country and its here again. My view is have the health care system ready with ventilators and so forth and open the flood gates and let this thing do what it's inevitably going to do so we can truly fatten the curve and get back to our lives. The end.

This is spot on. The lockdown was to buy time so that SA could get their shit in order WRT - PPE, medical equipment, training of medical staff, hospital beds amongst other things BESIDES curbing the number of infections.

Jonny wrote: This is spot on. The lockdown was to buy time so that SA could get their shit in order WRT - PPE, medical equipment, training of medical staff, hospital beds amongst other things BESIDES curbing the number of infections.

But we have too many dumb fucks....one of the municipalities numbers were all fkd and they sent someone else to go sort out the crap there, there are a number of hospitals in durban either closing or closing wards cos staff are getting the virus, the training obviously aint work, our health system was shit, likely still is shit...sorry...just a pessimist when it comes to all this, seen first hand how public health care is...in general.

Agreed about public health care. However some of our private hospitals are world class.
Anyway looks like the army will not just be shooting people but assisting with water and food distribution etc.

Jonny wrote: Anyway looks like the army will not just be shooting people but assisting with water and food distribution etc.

@Jonny, that's a relief... guess there was nothing to see, let me move along quietly. /s


I didn't watch Squirrel last night, not going to let him spoil my evenings anymore. If I understand things correctly they now have different levels of lockdown restrictions, but there's no set timeline anymore... so if we behave we might get level 3, but we should be careful as level 5 might return at any time. So perhaps we can trade again, but perhaps not... I can tell you guys now that this uncertainty and unpredictability will not work for industries where supply chains have to be managed like clockwork in most cases.

And then there's the people praising old Squirrel, fok they have low standards to be impressed this easily. It's not all bad, but there is not much to be optimistic about since all this should have been avoided in the first place.

He’s actually managed it superbly - imagine if fckng Zuma was in charge, we’d probably all be dead by now. I dislike the ANC and the DA, both full of idiots. If the DA would stop shooting themselves in the the foot they’d probably be in power already unfortunately I think they are even stupider than the ANC. They’ve fucked it up so many times it’s unbelievable.
Anyway yeah that’s about right, yes it won’t work for many businesses but it’s a good middle ground.