Pyroclasm's Cycle Suggestion and Cycle Log

Stats:
Age 20´s
Length 1.87m
Weight 87kgs
BF 13% (guestimate only)
Diet by DJ
Supplements: See my thread on supps entitled 'Creating our own Pre-and Post Workout'.
Already running Vitamin C, Omega 3 oils, evening primrose oils, Calcium tabs, and a good multivit.

My target is not to get big but put on lean, ripped, quality muscle. In nature I want to look like a tiger rather than looking like a bear.

So this is my idea of a first proper cycle:

Week 1-15: Test-E @600mg/week
1-6: T-Bol @50mg ED
1-20: Proviron @40mg ED
16-20: Winstrol Oral @50mg ED
Arimidex on hand

I am thinking about adding:
Week 16-22: Clen Oral start @40mcg, taper up by 20mcg every 3 days up to 120mcg + ketotifen
1-12: Equipoise @500mg/week
Increasing the Proviron to 60mg ED from week 3
16-20: Anavar @60mg ED

PCT: Full Doctari PCT, 30 days after last shot of Test-E or 42 days after last shot of Equi. Is the full Doctari PCT maybe overkill?
Going to be running essential liver tabs throughout.

Cycle history:
Have done three fat smash cycles of 6 weeks each containing Clen oral or injectable, T3 up to 100mcg, Proviron start @40mg up to 60mg at week 3, Winstrol oral @50mg ED. No PCT (no proper education).

Training
Weights 4 days a week
Cardio: Currently about 4 days a week. Not too sure on how cardio should look while on cycle? I am going to do 6 days a week when the bridge hits.

Dedication and motivation is at 170%. Have been eating clean for about 3 years now, really enjoying my gymming, and have even proven to myself over the last 2 months that I do not need any alcohol to function as a student. Two of my mates are also starting their cycles now so we will definately be keeping each other motivated.

I have two choices when it comes to the brands I can get. Both sources are good friends of mine and also give me everything at cost price which is nice.
The first guy can get Axio labs. He just moved there from PGW and LP because he says it is more affordable (freaking idiot I know!). He is using the Axio gear himself and says the stuff is amazing, but I know for a fact though his education is lacking big time. For example he run a d-Bol only 5 week cycle with no PCT. HAHA!
The second guy has extensive personal experience with gear and is a young bodybuilder himself. He has just moved to Alpha Pharma and Organon and is using their stuff personally. I have experienced the Clen from Alpha Pharma and I must say I was very impressed.
Which supplier would you go for? Would you get the best of both worlds?

Anyone's 2c, 5c, 20c or R2 would be appreciated.

Add after cycle:

Can't find a definitive post in my log of what I used. My cycle:
Week 1-14: Testoviron @500mg per week
Week1-12: Alpha Pharma EQ (Boldebolin) @500mg per week
Week 1-PCT: Schering Proviron @60mg ED
Week 1-6: Axio T-Bol @60mg ED
Week 15-PCT: Axio Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 15-PCT: Injectable Clenbuterol, taper up to 120mcg ED
Week 15-PCT: Aspen T3, taper up to 100mcg ED

PCT 3

Things I would change:
Add Yohimbine to the Clen
PGW Test-Cyp. Test was fake/underdosed.
All orals LP
HCG on cycle
Anavar instead of Winstrol

looks good, why have you chosen to run Tbol instead of Dbol just out of curiosity ?

Pyroclasm wrote:
My target is not to get big but put on lean, ripped, quality muscle. In nature I want to look like a tiger rather than looking like a bear.

Theres your answer RVP01

or 42 days after last shot of Equi.
This 1 should be 50 days after last shot of EQUIP

IMO the bridging is to much orals, ill split the 3 and do the proviron and winny together and do the clen on its own. remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

its just for the frontload though

PGW and LP/Oraltech first choice for me if your supplier can't get that anymore go for Alpha Pharm/Organon if I were you.
Nice simple cycle.

You will be happy with the tbol. I just finished a simular structured cycle (with supertest). Strength increases with the tbol is quick and there is no bloat that comes from other orals like dbol

@ABC01: Did you use LP Tbol bud?

Also how fast did the strength increases from Tbol take to kick in? And could you maybe give some examples of your strength increases?

Yip i used LP tbol at 60mg/day as a frontload for the 1st 5 weeks. I could definately feel i strength increase at the end of the 1st week.

Difficult to explain the strength increases because i changed my style of training when i started the cycle. What i can tell you is that i could go significantly heavier week on week. I normally dont train to heavy but focus more on higher reps with slow good form. At the end of the 5 weeks i could easily do about 4 sets of 12 to 15reps on 100kg. I normally dont train close to that

MASSMONSTA wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

is the hcg eod really needed cause i dont enjoy those injections and to have to do that during cycle and not just during pct would suck.
Was thinking of adding equip to my second cycle next year!

When you going to start bud?

As soon as I get my gear hey

You going to post some pics?

Haha you think I should?

Definitely bro, makes the log more interesting and we can see were you could be lagging and try help.

Pics are cool! Post em up! Uhm, my opinion on the cycle is I wouldnt do EQ, save that for another day. Essentialy its your first cycle why not go for 10 weeks and decide if you want to extend from there?

O okay I see bro! Yeah that could be nice and it should add some more motivation.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me whether it is a good idea to add the Equi for a first cycle.

Pyroclasm wrote: O okay I see bro! Yeah that could be nice and it should add some more motivation.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me whether it is a good idea to add the Equi for a first cycle.

I would say no...

1.5ml of equi wont do any harm :whistle:

Lets look at it this way, its your first cycle so you are going to gain like mad! Why add some more compounds now? If you are going to gain 10-15kgs on 2ml test a week why add EQ? Its not like your going to gain 20?

Maybe the appetite is good and the lean gains, but with dj's diet you should be sorted!!

If appetite is a problem use ghrp-6! I shot that stuff once and after 20min my stomach was rumbling!!
Although I was told you should be older than 21-23 I think before using peptides.

Just my R9... :lol:

Gorilia if he's just trying to add on lean mass without fat and water, I dont think he'll be putting on 10-15kgs!! Thats alot of pure muscle. I agree with what you've said about leaving the EQ tho.

manery wrote: Gorilia if he's just trying to add on lean mass without fat and water, I dont think he'll be putting on 10-15kgs!! Thats alot of pure muscle. I agree with what you've said about leaving the EQ tho.

Net 'n voorbeeld bra...

The idea is lean mass thats equi territory.i would add it if it was me.

dj diet=equipoise lean mass without pct needed! :woohoo:

just check waldus thread....

gorilla wrote: dj diet=equipoise lean mass without pct needed! :woohoo:

Your no fun

@VonD: I was thinking exactly the same bro.

@Gorilla: Please read my initial post for this thread again. I specifically made it clear that there are only four monetary values to be accepted on this thread. R9 was not one of them. Please discount this amount and try not to clog my thread with illegal moneys. Also would you say that the Equi would be a waste then?