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lobo
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13 Jan 2016 20:54 #194958 by lobo

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DK I would say start it after 3 wks and run it 2 or 3 wks after you stop the npp.

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13 Jan 2016 22:08 #194963 by donkiekong

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Thanx bud will do that .. i am starting the ai from the start of cycle , 2 drops letro ed or eod to keep estrogen low , so that sides will be close to zero as possible

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Rooi Bul 86
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13 Jan 2016 22:12 #194964 by Rooi Bul 86

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Hi, DK.
Is ED not going to be a bit harsh?

It is on you. It always has been...

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13 Jan 2016 22:16 - 13 Jan 2016 22:17 #194965 by donkiekong

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It could be , but i am thinking that it would have a better blood level taking a low dosage every day , sort of the way you would inject a long easter test 2 times per week to keep blood plasma levels high and steady

2 drops letro might be overkill not sure yet think pump would have the best answer towards the letro info but i feel the ED dosage would be a good idea even if i take 1 drop per day

But this is my personal opinion

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14 Jan 2016 03:13 #194970 by Eidolon

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It all depends how you respond to 19-nors. Cabaser will keep your libido going and address prolactin sides. However, I don't get any prolactin issues if I keep my e2 in check, so prefer to run asin over cabaser. But obviously keep the latter on hand.

You might end up having to run an AI anyway, which will mean you are using two ancillary compounds. Oupa knows his shit, so I'm sure he has good reason for introducing cabaser first.

With respect to Oupa, the tren dose is probably not high enough to justify cabaser out the blocks, unless you are susceptible to leaky nips. Mast prop and proviron are also quite similar, so I would maybe delay introducing prov by a week or two.

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14 Jan 2016 09:07 - 14 Jan 2016 09:08 #194976 by donkiekong

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Would like some aproval and/or input for the mod's about my idea

1 drop letro every morning / 2 drops EOD
start cabaser week 4 of cycle just to be sure but i am thinking of starting it from the start of cycle @ 0.5mg E5D because of the prolactin from superdrol and npp combo

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15 Jan 2016 07:12 #195063 by donkiekong

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Question for Mr. Pump letro genius

1.Would 2 drops letro ED cause estrogen levels to be to low and start effecting gains

2. Using letro ED would it help stable the letro the same way as when frequently injecting a long ester steroid

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16 Jan 2016 10:11 #195175 by 00pump

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2 drops Ed will be fine. No you don't need to take it ED the half life is quite long

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16 Jan 2016 11:12 #195179 by donkiekong

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My reason for the ai from the get go is to keep the estrogen low so that the sides would be much less and the test would not aromatise as much when i have low estrogen levels and cabaser would not really be needed

But that is my own theroy

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16 Jan 2016 11:49 #195183 by Eidolon

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That's my theory too

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16 Jan 2016 12:14 #195184 by donkiekong

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Would like to know if the theory is corret though haha

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Eidolon
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16 Jan 2016 13:09 #195186 by Eidolon

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Most guys I know don't require cabaser/prami when running a low dose 19-nor with an AI to control E2.

I'm currently on 100mg npp EOD with 500mg test e/600mg mast e per week, and have no gyno sides. Touch wood

We all respond differently though, so there's no real way of telling without doing bloods a few weeks in, or playing it by ear. I've run npp and deca in the past, so know where my limits are - if I bump up the test or push too long, I run into issues I don't have without npp in the mix, for instance. There is definitely a relationship between prolactin, progesterone and E2, and at higher doses you cannot control the sides with an AI alone.

I can understand why Oupa has it in his sample cycle, as it will provide a definite safety net.

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16 Jan 2016 13:29 - 16 Jan 2016 13:29 #195187 by donkiekong

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Thank you very much for that eidolon , so im guessing my theory is on the right path

I have letro and cabaser on hand just incase i need it can alwayse save it for next time if i dont need it

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17 Jan 2016 10:55 #195219 by donkiekong

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I have a question just in terms of future cycles

Could you run equi/deca/test all together ?

The reason for the combo is for deca's mass , equi with the appatite and the vascularity and harness ? Or whould it be better to run 2 defferent cycles ?

This is not any planed cycle at all im just asking was just thinking if this is possible

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21 Jan 2016 14:20 #195493 by bamiam

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Donkie, have you been taking 2 tabs betasleep everyday from day 1 of your clen cycle?

I'm currently doing 2 week on// 2 week off clen/T3 and have been popping 2 betasleep ED. Recently saw an article stating that the betasleep should be taken during the 2 weeks off and not while taking clen as it might be counterproductive to clen's effect..?

Any thoughts please... I couldn't see why not to keep receptor regulation up throughout, but if it will hinder effectiveness I need to drop the betasleep.

Cheers

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21 Jan 2016 14:36 #195496 by Eidolon

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If you use BS or ketotifen you don't have to cycle the clen on/off.

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21 Jan 2016 14:40 #195497 by bamiam

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Thanks man, I get that using betasleep will enable use for longer periods.

But, if I choose to stick with 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, will adding betasleep throughout be detrimental?

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21 Jan 2016 17:27 #195509 by donkiekong

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Personaly i feel that you have to play around with the idea and feel what your body does , i did this my self and learnd alot , cycling on and off worked with the beta sleep , but my sleep quality was not as good when i cycled the clen without the betasleep and only used it once i had the 2 weeks off gap

When i used the betasleep on and of clen my sleep was better so i felt better about on clen

Hope this makes sence to you

I personaly feel the best advice i can give you at this moment is to play around with both methods and see what your body tells you because first hand experiance is better than anything i can suggest or tell you

You can even throw in a ECA stak on your off 2 weeks to keep on the fat burning and ECA does not effect your receptors so you would still up regulate your receptors

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26 Feb 2016 10:37 #196837 by donkiekong

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Hay guys

Quick question

Can i do 6 weeks lean down after my bulk cycle ?? Or should i keep maintenince calories for at least 6 weeks so my body will get use to the new size?? Dont want to loose all the gains made on bulk cycle

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26 Feb 2016 14:49 #196838 by Oupa

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Did you do cardio when you bulked?

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28 Feb 2016 14:42 #196851 by donkiekong

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No nothing oupa , i have gained love handels and lover ab fat , and a bit of chest fat , eating 3500 cals of which my main carbs are oats and white basmati and my protein is fish . Red meat . Chicken . Eggs . And no supplements only supplement is animal stack

Currently

1.86m
109kg
bf% shit maybe high 18%

Week 5 of cycle

cycle : 450mg npp pw - 450mg prop pw

Main plan is to prep for 2017 and add as much mass befor then in this year

8 week break after current cycle has ended. Then in the 8 week break or bridge switch to 100mg test cyp per week + 4 weeks hcg on and off

After my 8 week break on the TRT dosage run the same cycle as now but switch test prop with enth and sdrol with naps for a 12 week cycle

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29 Feb 2016 09:40 #196858 by donkiekong

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Any sugestions

Should i try deca and enth for 15 weeks after i have run current cycle

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Oupa
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29 Feb 2016 10:10 #196860 by Oupa

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Add steady state cardio and keep calories the same. Don't run nandrolin back to back

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29 Feb 2016 16:03 #196872 by donkiekong

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Even though i am taking 6 to 8 weeks off ?

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01 Mar 2016 16:04 #196880 by donkiekong

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I will take a 6 to 8 week gap between my cycles ... what kind of cycle can i be looking at next?

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