DonkieKong's (it's on) Thread

1) Yes
2) Risky but could work
3) Sorry mate I am not comfortable enough with carb cycling diets to give advice. I am sure MA and Pump know their shit backwards.

Post your diet and let's have a look see. But a tweak here and there might be required for your individual needs.

Day 3 of FFF

Dont feel any different except for hot 24/7
Sweating more than ever before in the gym

Current fastes weight 97kg

Current calories 2700 maybe a bit more

Just going to describe the diet in short

500g sweet potato
300g potato
2 tins tuna
2×3 scoops nutritech whey = 6 scoops per day
400g chicken breast

Total protein = 219g
total carbs = 165g

donkiekong wrote: Day 3 of FFF

Dont feel any different except for hot 24/7
Sweating more than ever before in the gym

Hot = good. That means it's working and burning energy.

I feel a energy boost today but sweat like mad haha

It's working.

Solid 97kg dead no . What what haha exactly 97kg this morning

Has been a good 5 days so far and weight has droped and see so changes to my body already must be close to 12% bf as first 4 abs and v line are visable

Only done 2 cardio session , 1 on arms day and one on shoulders day was thinking that those 2 small muscle groups werent burning enough calories on there own

Hay guys happy new year sorry for the very late update

Oky so let me start with the fat burners
came down to 95kg and lean , abs and v line visable , so personally i feel i reached my goal with the fat burners for now

Did zero cardio only high intens weight sessions with no rest periods and a combenation of heavy weight and high reps with a 500 caloric deff.

IMO leaning down on diet and weights alone without the cardio gave me a much fuller musculer look then when i do lats of cardio my body tends to lose fullness

FFF and clen is an amazing combenation and im for sure going to be using this methord again

I have a few questions about my up coming cycle that will start end this month

1. I am strictly intrested in finding out if there would be any difference between using prop for 12 weeks or enth for 10 weeks , i understand that test is test and only the easter is different but using enth would be cheaper than using prop , so all i want to find out is would there be a difference in gains if i had to use enth instead of prop

2. If i was to use enth would frontloading reach stable blood levels as soon as prop would

My plan for this cycle is to start off the first week of cycle at maintenaince calories and each week add in 200 - 300 calories

Cycle would be the cycle oupa suggested

30mg sdrol ed
450mg prop per week
450mg npp per week
12 week cycle

People don't believe me that cardio is not necessary.
1) No difference. I go for a Test-En instead of prop exactly because prop is more expensive.
2) If you Frontload Test-En I find it normally takes 3 weeks to be in full swing. You can also Frontload test prop hey.

Thank you once again as usuel mr. Pyro

So i am thinking of going with test enth because of the price , but then again i have not yet used prop and would like to know if you feel different on prop than when on test enth

If i do go with test enth what dosage would i go with ??

1. O.5ml m/w/f or .75ml m/f ??

2. how would i do a proper frontload with the enth ?

3. Should i spend the cash and go with prop insted of enth ? (Personal experiance would be interisting)

4. A personal experiance with prop and enth questions = did 450mg prop per week have the same results as 450mg enth per week ?? Asking this because prop has a higher % of true test as enth because of the easter weight

And just want to add in a last few words on pyro's coment about the cardio , that is 100% true and cardio should be used as a exrta if you do not burn enough calories during your workout or when you are eating to many calories and have to work it off , personally i feel my body gets to flat and drained from cardio and i get a skinny fat or a soft flat look to my body

I help gladly. Oupa will never forgive me if I ever say you shouldn't try Test Prop at least once. Go for the Prop and see what happens. I have been there, got the shirt, and made up my mind, but your experience will be different. 450mg Prop is roughly equivalent to 550mg Test-En (guesstimate).

Thank you again pyro

Okay so what you say is once again true as alwyas , trying the prop for my self i will have a better understanding of how i respond to it

When it comes to nandrolene is it true that it is because of the high test most people add to a nandrolene cycle that causes the heavy aromatisation and the water retention and the side effects

I have the idea in my head that when it comes to test that more is not better

I feel IMO a cycle with test levels of @ 450 - 600mg per week combined with the nandrolene @ 450 - 600mg per week would result in a better cleaner less side effect cycle

So if you need a boost up the nandrolene and calories insted of the test ... am i totally shooting in the dark now ???

I feel i have made a final choice to go with prop and get my own personal experiance , i am looking forward to the gains from npp as this will be my first time with nandrolene

donkiekong wrote: Thank you again pyro

Okay so what you say is once again true as alwyas , trying the prop for my self i will have a better understanding of how i respond to it

When it comes to nandrolene is it true that it is because of the high test most people add to a nandrolene cycle that causes the heavy aromatisation and the water retention and the side effects

It is from the Decanoate ester itself and not the Nandrolone. Longer esters make you retain more water.

I have the idea in my head that when it comes to test that more is not better

I feel IMO a cycle with test levels of @ 450 - 600mg per week combined with the nandrolene @ 450 - 600mg per week would result in a better cleaner less side effect cycle

So if you need a boost up the nandrolene and calories insted of the test ... am i totally shooting in the dark now ???

I would rather up the test than the Nandrolone. If you need a boost get some B-Complex.

So if i was to do this cycle more than once i should up the test insted of the nandrolone

Yes 450mg NPP is normally good for at least two times.. Remember that you have run test many times before so it makes sense you have to up the dosage for the same effect (just like any other compound).

Oky yes true pyro thank you

Would 450mg test prop be good to go ? Or should i be looking at something a bit more on the test side of the cycle ??

I have run cycle of 600mg of test enth per week , would that change the dosage i would need from prop to acheave the same results or effect ? .. mayne 500 - 600mg prop per week instead of 450mg ?

I mean i might as well spend the cash on this cycle as i am going with prop anyway

Cycle as Oupa suggested. Have fun with the S-Drol!

Thank you pyro

Guys what would happen if you run longer easter roids with EOD protocol ?? Would it reach blood plasma levels faster?

Hay guys

Just want to share something with you guys that might help someone or many of you might know already but its a mistake i have been making since the start of dieting

I have used the nutritional info of uncooked rice and applyed it to cooked rice which is a huge mistake because the weight differince between cooked and uncooked rice is 3 times more when cooked

So 100g uncooked rice = to 300g cooked rice

A simple example i going to use is tastic brown rice
100g uncooked = 347cals - 74g carbs

So to apply this to your diet you wil need 300g of cooked rice to have the same calories and macros as the nutitional lable suggests

So i have been over eating protein and under eating carbs

Will be starting my cycle (oupa's suggested cycle) end of this month , in this week i will be starting to get all my goodies , should i use cabaser from the start of cycle @ 0.5mg e5d or should i keep it on hand

Ai on hand will be letro

donkiekong wrote: Hay guys

Just want to share something with you guys that might help someone or many of you might know already but its a mistake i have been making since the start of dieting

I have used the nutritional info of uncooked rice and applyed it to cooked rice which is a huge mistake because the weight differince between cooked and uncooked rice is 3 times more when cooked

So 100g uncooked rice = to 300g cooked rice

A simple example i going to use is tastic brown rice
100g uncooked = 347cals - 74g carbs

So to apply this to your diet you wil need 300g of cooked rice to have the same calories and macros as the nutitional lable suggests

So i have been over eating protein and under eating carbs

DK, here's what I do for rice, pasta, couscous etc, basically any carb and even protein source that changes weight during cooking:

I weigh out how much I want to cook, for instance 250g dry/uncooked rice.
I then cook it, and afterwards I weigh it.
I then work out the uncooked/cooked ratio, as an example:

1g uncooked rice = 2,437g cooked (this is just a random example)

Based on how many grams of carbs I wanted to have in each meal (eg 40g carbs in a meal) I work out how much of the cooked rice I need based on the carb content per 100g uncooked (from the label or MyFitnessPal) and the ratio I calculated above.

VOILA!

I do the same with protein sources. Mince and ostrich are easy. I usually buy the 500g packs of ostrich mince or patties from woolies (or the 1kg extra lean beef mince). The label says 20g protein per 100g, and there is 500g in a pack = 100g protein total in a pack. Cook, weigh, and if for example I want 30g protein per meal I know I can just divide the cooked ostrich/beef by 3 (30g protein is roughly 1/3 of 100, which is the total protein in a pack).

It obviously takes a little extra time to weigh and calculate your cooked food, but if you're dieting it all makes a difference. I'm not as concerned when bulking obviously.

Hope that makes sense and helps

Just to add to the protein explanation above, let's say I cook 1kg of extra lean beef mince and add in things like tinned tomato mix or some beans etc, to make a yummy Chilli con carne type meal.

I know in 1kg of mince there is 200g of protein (based on the label, 20g protein per 100g). I cook it up, then weigh the total end product, tomato mix and beans included. I can then divide that total weight up into portions based on how much protein I want per meal and the fact that I know there is 200g of protein from the beef in the end product. Easy peasy.

That makes sense bud , what i am planing on doing tonight is cooking 100g raw weight rice and then see wat the cooked weight is going to be and i will report back and give you guys a more personal experiance of what the weight difference is

100g raw brown rice from tastic came out to 270g cooked weight

Can someone please reply to my cabaser question