Fat Furnace Fifteen

Hi guys

Quick question for Admin or pump?
Anyone who knows jump in though

My old man is in his early 50's, with a Bf of 35-40% (176cm, 122kg)

I'm getting a buy in from him to cut out the beer and chocolates! So that will help, but I do want to see if it's safe to give him FFF

My concerns:
High blood pressure (under control, uses co-terag)

Fibrillation (sort of under control, uses sotahexal)

Peripheral nerve neuropathy (uses eppileptim, 2x800mg/per day)

Now the neuropathy poses a serious issue, as it limits pretty much all exercise involving standing, walking or running. Am trying to get him in a pool but he seems a bit shy about the weight.

Soooooo what you think, FFF ok for him? I am monitoring is total calorie intake so that is in check for now. But think it will definitely help keep him on track.

Thanks for your help as always and apologies for the long schpiel

I don't think hbp and yohimbine are friends dude.
But I'm no expert.

Hi Mason,

I don't think any fatburners let alone FFF et al are appropriate for his plethora of conditions.

Just by diet alone he should lose weight.

Why not try a keto? He'll lose some quick weight so run it until he loses 15-20kg (2-3 months). He will be lighter and a lot more mobile. Then switch to a normal diet (calorie deficit ofcourse) for another 2 to 3 months and then maybe another keto cycle.

If he can get into a pool then all the better. Maybe if he does drop some weight he will be able to walk. You won't believe the difference a few kg's can be. The stress on the back and joints by a boep is crazy.

Thanks Cyclo

I figured as much...
Dont really want to go the keto route with him just yet, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to stick to.

As for the neuropathy, I think I may have been unclear, he can walk etc. However it causes pain in the extreme...

Its day 3 for him now, so let's take it step by step... The man made me, he has that going for him :lol: so sure he will push through

Mason Might wrote: Thanks Cyclo

Don't really want to go the keto route with him just yet, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to stick to.

My 2 Cents - The Carb / Sugar monster is an addiction, and a low cal diet while on carbs is hard / impossible work.

I found it a lot easier to cut the carbs & sugar as much as possible, deal with the DT's and move on.

My old man & father in-law were both type 2 diabetic, and sugar addicts - they couldn't diet to save their lives, literally!

They both knew better, but it eventually killed them both.
Carbs & sugars hidden in processed foods & low fat foods are a killer - it should be criminal.
Go Keto.

Mason Might wrote: Dont really want to go the keto route with him just yet, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to stick to.

look at the banting (i.e. keto in disguise) diet. For someone who is used to chowing everything there is actually no better "diet".

I mean bacon, eggs, cheese, cream, etc etc. Plus you don't have to massively restrict calories. I roughly calculate he has to take ~2700 Calories to maintain. This will be a much easier diet to stick to than a heavy calorie restricted diet.

With time you can start honing the diet and slowly drop his calories but as he gets into ketosis he should start dropping weight quickly. If he can get into a pool and do even a little exercise the fat will melt and this may even improve his health and mobility so that he can start walking etc.

Check the following video: This is a truly inspirational transformation

Thanks Cyclo!

I will definitely look into it, at this stage taking it step by step. He is asking questions and constantly sending pics of nutrition information :lol:

Actually have him learning and changing the bad habits which is awesom...

I will introduce him to LCHF and let him make the decision to go that route on his own...
I really do value your expertise and taking the time to share the video, will check it out as soon as I have my PC in front of me.
+1 man

Hey admin

I just started with FFF and it is my first day, I am experiencing extreme feeling of nausea and even vomiting. I am experiencing almost all of the other side-effects. I am sensitive to fat-loss agents of all kinds whether it is herbal or not.

Is it normal to feel nauseous and to be vomiting?
How long after taking FFF does it start to work, and to still be effective if you vomit?

lallie wrote: Hey admin

I just started with FFF and it is my first day, I am experiencing extreme feeling of nausea and even vomiting. I am experiencing almost all of the other side-effects. I am sensitive to fat-loss agents of all kinds whether it is herbal or not.

Is it normal to feel nauseous and to be vomiting?
How long after taking FFF does it start to work, and to still be effective if you vomit?

Are you taking your FFF with food or on an empty stomach? It will not work if you vomit and it's not advisable that you continue.

If you take it on an empty stomach try taking it with food and see if there's an improvement.

I took it after eating something light. Is it advisable to perhaps try it for a week and see if my body gets used to it and if it is still the same to rather stop using it?

I really need and want to lose weight, and I don't know what else to do?

You can try taking 1x Red and 1x Blue capsule only with breakfast and see it that helps. If you can tolerate that for a week you can add the second blue capsule again.

Thank you very much, I will try that and then see what happens.
Enjoy the day.

Hey guys,

Does FFF have a positive or negative effect on Libido? I haven't had any issues but a mate of mine has told me to discontinue it because he believes it's causing his "member" to malfunction

ninjajuice wrote: Hey guys,

Does FFF have a positive or negative effect on Libido? I haven't had any issues but a mate of mine has told me to discontinue it because he believes it's causing his "member" to malfunction

Your friend told YOU to stop taking FFF because HE is having libido issues, how strange. You are not having problems, so why stop?

Anyway, FFF is suppose to increase libido, see the FFF drug profile on the site.

Hahahaha Admin,

That should read "has told me HE WANTS to discontinue......"

That's what I thought and told him but I said I'd check first. Thanks

Apologies if this has been asked already in this thread as it's a damn long thread already, but if I'm on t3 and clen right now should I leave the clen when starting fff or can I continue using it alongside?

Fff should not be.used in conjunction with other fat burners.

ian_stagib wrote: Apologies if this has been asked already in this thread as it's a damn long thread already, but if I'm on t3 and clen right now should I leave the clen when starting fff or can I continue using it alongside?

Are you using something anabolic with the T3?

Pyroclasm wrote:

ian_stagib wrote: Apologies if this has been asked already in this thread as it's a damn long thread already, but if I'm on t3 and clen right now should I leave the clen when starting fff or can I continue using it alongside?

Are you using something anabolic with the T3?

Yes, I'm on cycle prepping for contest

That changes everything. Your coach must be the one advising you on how to run them. You can run a low dose Clen with the FFF as it contains Synephrine, the baby sister of Clen. Any dosage T3 is fine.

Pyroclasm wrote: That changes everything. Your coach must be the one advising you on how to run them. You can run a low dose Clen with the FFF as it contains Synephrine, the baby sister of Clen. Any dosage T3 is fine.

FFF doesn't contain Synephrine.

FFF can be used with a low dose of Clen if you are an experienced user.

It contains Citrus Aurantum, a.k.a Synephrine.

Thanks for the response. It clears things up. I'll try the fff without the clen at first and if I feel the need later I'll add low dosage of clen. I asked my trainer to read up on the fff and he hasn't gotten around to it yet, but he says it can only help.

Yes that's clever! In the articles section you will find lots of info on FFF.

Righto, going to jump on the FFF bandwagon starting next week.

I'm only able to train in the mornings from 04h50-05h45 (I don't stuff around and chat as time is limited). Then rush to get home, shower, breakfast, help sort out kids and leave for work at 06h50.

Must I take the FFF when I wake up before training or afterwards?

Is there any benefit to adding creatine? Or would that be a waste.